Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:50 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

That proves what exactly ?

He’s not finished

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:19 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

He’s not finished

Or who he turns out for is desperate it certainly wont be NZ.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:00 pm  

Toronto have offered 3 of their signings for 2021 to rival clubs, including Ward and Myler according to total rl.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:09 pm  

The Magic Rat wrote:

Toronto have offered 3 of their signings for 2021 to rival clubs, including Ward and Myler according to total rl.

Got a fair bit of Sympathy for Ward and Myler, they’ve been sold a pup, wonder if bridges have been burned with us now?

Didn’t realise Iestyn was their agent!

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:55 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

SBW is way past it & if he was worth so much why were TWP trying to cadge 300k off SL?

Two separate points, first that SBW is way past it. Well it depends what you mean as way past it? Does way past it mean he isn’t the same player he was 4 years ago? He clearly isn’t the same player he is was 4 years ago. However, he is still better than the vast majority running around in SL, he would probably start in our pack. He would start in probably ever pack in SL. If rumours are to be believed he is being looked at by the Roosters and warriors in the NRL. Let’s be clear, the roosters are no mugs, they don’t offer out contracts, even if it is for a short number of games and with a few injuries if the player isn’t half decent.

Second point in Toronto, not sure why but you’ve always had a huge issues with them. If they are in SL then I support it as I like RL and like the idea of it growing, I’m not sure they should be in SL as the game isn’t big enough to have trans Atlantic teams IMO. However, if every team in SL is getting money because of issues with Covid I can see why they might want to get some as well. They can’t bring any revenue in, they can’t furlough players, they have to pay for teams to go over and play against them. Why wouldn’t they want to cadge 300k off super league? Makes complete sense to me they would want to do that so they couldn’t continue to operate moving forwards.

On the original point on SBW he isn’t past it at all, he isn’t the same player he was but he could still play RU for the all blacks and did at the World Cup in October. He could still play in the NRL now which is supported if he signs for the Roosters of NZ warriors and if the season had played out as normal the half way into the season he would have looked good in SL.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:18 pm  

Lprhino wrote:

Two separate points, first that SBW is way past it. Well it depends what you mean as way past it? Does way past it mean he isn’t the same player he was 4 years ago? He clearly isn’t the same player he is was 4 years ago. However, he is still better than the vast majority running around in SL, he would probably start in our pack. He would start in probably ever pack in SL. If rumours are to be believed he is being looked at by the Roosters and warriors in the NRL. Let’s be clear, the roosters are no mugs, they don’t offer out contracts, even if it is for a short number of games and with a few injuries if the player isn’t half decent.

Second point in Toronto, not sure why but you’ve always had a huge issues with them. If they are in SL then I support it as I like RL and like the idea of it growing, I’m not sure they should be in SL as the game isn’t big enough to have trans Atlantic teams IMO. However, if every team in SL is getting money because of issues with Covid I can see why they might want to get some as well. They can’t bring any revenue in, they can’t furlough players, they have to pay for teams to go over and play against them. Why wouldn’t they want to cadge 300k off super league? Makes complete sense to me they would want to do that so they couldn’t continue to operate moving forwards.

On the original point on SBW he isn’t past it at all, he isn’t the same player he was but he could still play RU for the all blacks and did at the World Cup in October. He could still play in the NRL now which is supported if he signs for the Roosters of NZ warriors and if the season had played out as normal the half way into the season he would have looked good in SL.

Agree with this except on Toronto. He is a Billionaire and the club is Canadian. They aren’t and shouldn’t be entitled to the British government’s money, if anything Canada should have supported them not us. He knew how hard this gig was going to be but he is massively in denial abouts all the issues and problems TWP have is David Argyle. Paying on time, lawsuits etc there are many more, so to be fair it’s a team of average players except a couple or big wages. I have no sympathy for TWP just the players.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:35 pm  

As I understand it we didn't offer Ward or Myler contracts. Why would we now want them back? That makes absolutely no sense.

As for us wanting SBW??? Are you f ucking kidding me. Is this the same rumour mill that has us signing Sam Burgess every other week?

Honestly, it's like silly season on steroids. Why can't people just be happy that the club are back making good rugby decisions. Getting rid of players we have been over paying and creating opportunities for talented youth players.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:33 pm  

SBW is off to the Roosters.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:24 am  

Lprhino wrote:

Two separate points, first that SBW is way past it. Well it depends what you mean as way past it? Does way past it mean he isn’t the same player he was 4 years ago? He clearly isn’t the same player he is was 4 years ago. However, he is still better than the vast majority running around in SL, he would probably start in our pack. He would start in probably ever pack in SL. If rumours are to be believed he is being looked at by the Roosters and warriors in the NRL. Let’s be clear, the roosters are no mugs, they don’t offer out contracts, even if it is for a short number of games and with a few injuries if the player isn’t half decent.

Second point in Toronto, not sure why but you’ve always had a huge issues with them. If they are in SL then I support it as I like RL and like the idea of it growing, I’m not sure they should be in SL as the game isn’t big enough to have trans Atlantic teams IMO. However, if every team in SL is getting money because of issues with Covid I can see why they might want to get some as well. They can’t bring any revenue in, they can’t furlough players, they have to pay for teams to go over and play against them. Why wouldn’t they want to cadge 300k off super league? Makes complete sense to me they would want to do that so they couldn’t continue to operate moving forwards.

On the original point on SBW he isn’t past it at all, he isn’t the same player he was but he could still play RU for the all blacks and did at the World Cup in October. He could still play in the NRL now which is supported if he signs for the Roosters of NZ warriors and if the season had played out as normal the half way into the season he would have looked good in SL.

If you think SBW walks into our current pack or ST's you havent been watching him.
The Roosters signed Brett Mullins after he was woeful in SL agsin proves nothing.
Re-Toronto my only "issue" with Toronto is i aren't taken in by BS Promises & PR Stunts , you already have your reply re-Govt funding.
Playing RU (pretty average at the time) doesnt prove SBW isnt past it the fact is Toronto spaffed big money on a "name" money they clearly didnt have.
RL owes them norhing simple as that.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour Thread V3 : Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:25 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

If you think SBW walks into our current pack or ST's you havent been watching him.
The Roosters signed Brett Mullins after he was woeful in SL agsin proves nothing.
Re-Toronto my only "issue" with Toronto is i aren't taken in by BS Promises & PR Stunts , you already have your reply re-Govt funding.
Playing RU (pretty average at the time) doesnt prove SBW isnt past it the fact is Toronto spaffed big money on a "name" money they clearly didnt have.
RL owes them norhing simple as that.

Is SBW better than Mellor, Donaldson or L Sutcliffe? Yes he is, they have all started games for us in the back row this year.

Is SBW better than Taia (who is a year older than SBW) or Peyeoux? Yes he is, they have started in the back row for Saints.

The Roosters signed Mullins in 2002, it is now 2020. The roosters won the comp last year, slightly different. Point still stands if he was past it they wouldn’t want to sign him, nor would any other NRL club.

Not sure how much RU you watch, I watch a lot. I was in japan at the World Cup and I watch super rugby weekly. You don’t get in the All blacks team or squad unless you warrant a place. He was in it and as such they clearly didn’t think he was past it in October last year. Appreciate RL is a different game but physically they felt he was more than capable, skill wise more than capable. That would suggest he still has something about him.

If you or anybody else thought he was going to be a world beater after 5-6 games back in RL playing for a relatively poor team in TWP then you were just being unrealistic. He was clearly going to need 15-20 games to get back used to RL.

Spending big on a player doesn’t mean they are or aren’t past it. If you had said oh SBW wasn’t worth the money that would be a different point and you would probably get agreement from most. Saying he is past it just isn’t the same thing as not being worth the money.

I would agree the club don’t have that money they spent, the owner clearly does. Again I don’t disagree that Toronto shouldn’t be in SL or that the govt/RL should be helping them out. As I said RL isn’t big enough to have a trans Atlantic team. I can see why they asked for the money it makes sense. Do I think they should get it, no I don’t. Instead of having an issue with Toronto I would direct that towards RL and governing body for letting them in when clearly the structure wasn’t good enough to support it.