Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:28 pm  

I'm intrigued. Leeds were telling these players it was a done deal.

But what were Warrington telling Clark?
What were Leigh telling Brierly?
What was Hull telling Westerman?

Or are we to believe that these players (and their agents) solely listened to the 'buying' club and not once sought the stance of their current clubs? If so they deserve zero sympathy in that unlikely scenario.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:37 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

I'm intrigued. Leeds were telling these players it was a done deal.

But what were Warrington telling Clark?
What were Leigh telling Brierly?
What was Hull telling Westerman?

Or are we to believe that these players (and their agents) solely listened to the 'buying' club and not once sought the stance of their current clubs? If so they deserve zero sympathy in that unlikely scenario.

Hull actually allowed Leeds to speak to Westerman, and Warrington allowed them to speak to Clarke.

Funny enough it is the losing out on Westerman which actually made us lose out on Clarke.

Clarke has lost his driving licence, and one of the major reasons in his desire to be back over here. Westerman is effectively to be his chauffeur at Warrington and a major reason on why they would pay the deal Hull wanted.

It still doesn't excuse the Leeds position of making assurances on players before coming to a deal with clubs, which is what I was pointing out. The quality of the player being irrelevant.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:03 pm  

Westerman's still got his licence?

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:15 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Hull actually allowed Leeds to speak to Westerman, and Warrington allowed them to speak to Clarke.

Funny enough it is the losing out on Westerman which actually made us lose out on Clarke.

Clarke has lost his driving licence, and one of the major reasons in his desire to be back over here. Westerman is effectively to be his chauffeur at Warrington and a major reason on why they would pay the deal Hull wanted.

It still doesn't excuse the Leeds position of making assurances on players before coming to a deal with clubs, which is what I was pointing out. The quality of the player being irrelevant.

So it's Warrington who changed their minds on the Clark deal then and not Leeds. But it's Leeds you're criticising for it.

Also Wire not being able to find a replacement hooker is more likely than simply they couldn't find a chaffeuer for Clark until Joe Westerman (hardly the most reliable guy to entrust chaffeuer duties too) came along.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:17 pm  

Ok.

Spending 100k+ on a player so he can be a taxi service for another player who has lost his license.

Seems legit.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:38 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

I know for definite that Mossop had a medical at Kirkstall, I'm pretty sure that wigan would have been his first choice.

So did he not pass the medical and Wigan came in for him?

I can give you 100% fact on the Mossop episode. I knew about 15 minutes after he did that his Parramatta contract had ended. Before he was even back in the UK Hetherington and McDermott had arranged a meeting with him. He didn't have a medical. It was just a meeting. Moose was very impressed by them both and was going to sign but when Wane heard of his availability and the fact he was going to sign for the Rhinos he made sure that he got him a better deal.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:42 pm  

Balls to Mossop, Westerman and Clark. I want to know Gotcha's inside track about Burgess signing. I'm really loving this episode of jackanory

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:57 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

So it's Warrington who changed their minds on the Clark deal then and not Leeds. But it's Leeds you're criticising for it.

Also Wire not being able to find a replacement hooker is more likely than simply they couldn't find a chaffeuer for Clark until Joe Westerman (hardly the most reliable guy to entrust chaffeuer duties too) came along.

No , Leeds haven't agreed a deal with Hull over Westerman, having agreed terms with him and told him done deal. As a consequence they also missed out on Clarke, who had also agreed terms with Leeds, who also told him a done deal. Unless of course they can persuade Wire to change again on Clarke.

The "criticism" is not not signing players, it is telling players deal done before actually agreeing with the club concerned. People need to stop getting on the defensive and actually look at what is said, and the movement at hand.

And as for Burgess the comment on him and Westerman came from a coach at Leeds, whom I shall not name, who was at our clubs presentation evening last night. There is three signings to be announced over next month.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:05 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

No , Leeds haven't agreed a deal with Hull over Westerman, having agreed terms with him and told him done deal. As a consequence they also missed out on Clarke, who had also agreed terms with Leeds, who also told him a done deal.

The "criticism" is not not signing players, it is telling players deal done before actually agreeing with the club concerned. People need to stop getting on the defensive and actually look at what is said, and the movement at hand.

And as for Burgess the comment on him and Westerman came from a coach at Leeds, whom I shall not name, who was at our clubs presentation evening last night. There is three signings to be announced over next month.

Yes but what did Hull tell Westerman? What did Warrington tell Clark?

You're telling us what Leeds told these players. Your story is based on these players only listening to Leeds' version of events.

Either Warrington agreed and told Clark it was a done deal.....and are the ones to back out once they've found an expensive chauffeur.

Or they told Clark it wasn't yet a done deal and considering they're his current employers then you'd go with that if you were in Clark's shoes surely.

You're only presenting Leeds' apparent version of events, what were the other clubs version of events? Pretty important considering it was their players in the first place.

Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:17 pm  

So Hetherington, who has been recruiting / selling players for 30 odd years gets permission to speak to a player from their current club without agreeing a fee. Meets said player and agrees terms. Then tells player its a done deal before he has agreed a transfer fee. This from a man who keeps his cards close to his chest at the best of times and has managed to keep many signings under wraps until it was officially announced ( a few exceptions accepted ).
Not for the first time I will take some of what is posted on here with a barrow load of salt.