Juan Cornetto wrote:
Yes we are getting somewhere and I'm guessing you have finally cross checked your sources and belatedly realise Holliday was a full dual code International, which you had doubted. He also played 7 times for England RU and also the British and Irish Lions.
You said GB International. I checked GB International and he didn't appear. I asked for verification, a link to such record or resource you didn't provide one.
Juan Cornetto wrote:
I note you have not the grace to accept that I was right on this point and you, your Rothmans handbook and its editor had as "a matter of fact" overlooked this players League International record !
How were you right when you said GB International. They overlooked every England cap awarded before 1975, perhaps because they were secondary in value to that awarded for GB, perhaps not.
It doesn't alter the fact you have had to go back to around the 1920's to get beyond the fingers of one Castleford hand in regards England RU Internationals to cross the divide. You're still proving (not disproving) the case that there have been pitifully few by that measure.
Juan Cornetto wrote:
Instead you sadly seek to decry Holliday for not having made more League International appearances as if this somehow excuses for your lack of knowledge of this player.
This is a player long before my time and never played for Great Britain despite your claim to the contrary. I know nothing about him and if that makes me a bad person then so be it, I suspect I may not be alone.
Juan Cornetto wrote:
I have already stated that he converted to League late in his rugby life which limited his appearances but not his ability. He was 30 when he played for England RL. Perhaps you can pass these facts on to your editor chum at Rothmans in time for the next edition.
You stated he had played for Great Britain. Rothman's stated otherwise. Am I now to assume they were right and you were wrong? As there hasn't been a new edition of the yearbook printed since the game switched to summer that may prove difficult.
Juan Cornetto wrote:
So your original comments were as follows.
So forget about ...Shaun Edwards, John Atkinson, Martin Offiah, Derek Hallas etc plus many good youngsters over the years
This is not correct. As I have previously pointed out the motivation to convert was not the money for most England International players
I think most of the players I have named are top proven International quality as most became dual code internationals.
You can wriggle off on as many tangents as you like but your original statement is based on a narrow prejudiced view.
You're just rambling now.
These don't appear to be any of my comments.
None of this latest batch became dual code Internationals that I'm aware of although they were are all very fine League players.
Did Shaun Edwards even ever play a game of 1st class rugby union (park rugby doesn't count although it comes close - apart from the cross code challenge match V Bath in '96) after he signed on for Wigan on his 17th birthday?
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Old Feller wrote:
I preferred it when tvoc & juan cornetto were arguing about planes.
Leave us alone. We're just getting started.
We haven't even got to the bit where I get accused of being abusive yet.
