Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:47 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Fair enough if that is your opinion i have no problem with it, and i see it totally differently as i have pointed out so no point arguing any more on it.

I could see why to Cas especially this year finishing top would mean a lot and be a vindication of how far they have come but in general. It would be interesting to hear what the Cas fans would value higher a first CC win at Wembley since 1986 or the LLS?

Wembley win all day. Grand Final first with LLS 3rd. Would be happy winning just 1 though it's been that long.

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:58 am  

Gotcha wrote:

The point was, which is the better achievement, a big club like Leeds winning a cup from just a few games, where the majority were lower division, or a smaller club like Castleford finishing top of a league over 29 weeks of rugby. I despair at anyone who says the CC is the better acheivement of the two, complete nonsense.

If Cas are and have been spending the full salary cap, the sameas Leeds then I don't see where the difference between a "big" club and a "small" club come in.

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:08 am  

finglas wrote:

If Cas are and have been spending the full salary cap, the sameas Leeds then I don't see where the difference between a "big" club and a "small" club come in.

And how many times has that worked out since the introduction of the salary cap? not a valid argument at all to what was raised anyway. Five games, with three against lower league oppossition, compared to 29 games all against Super League oppossition, that was the point of achivement.

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:06 am  

Gotcha wrote:

And how many times has that worked out since the introduction of the salary cap? not a valid argument at all to what was raised anyway. Five games, with three against lower league oppossition, compared to 29 games all against Super League oppossition, that was the point of achivement.

True, but let's not forget that winning semi finals and finals requires lifting to a different level than what you see in the league weekly.

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:06 am  

I could see why to Cas especially this year finishing top would mean a lot and be a vindication of how far they have come but in general. It would be interesting to hear what the Cas fans would value higher a first CC win at Wembley since 1986 or the LLS?[/quote]

I might be in a minority but personally I would prefer us to win lls than get to Wembley (and I'm not just saying that after last weeks disappointment)
For me as a 40+ year cas fan I have never seen a team that's consistent enough to finish top of the league and might not again whereas any half decent team with a good draw can have their day in the sun as we have now and again.
So personally I value the lls very highly for us this year but I can see why for some clubs with a history of success might not value it as highly.
Tell you what you win the cup we win the lls shield then we will meet in the grand final as the decider

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:13 am  

Tell you what you win the cup we win the lls shield then we will meet in the grand final as the decider[/quote]

Sounds a good plan to me.

See you at OT

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:14 am  

rodhutch wrote:

Tell you what you win the cup we win the lls shield then we will meet in the grand final as the decider

Sounds a good plan to me.

See you at OT [/quote]
Deal

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:21 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

True, but let's not forget that winning semi finals and finals requires lifting to a different level than what you see in the league weekly.

i would agree in the final. But history tells us not the case in the Semi, and not the oppossition we have this time. But that is still only one match.

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:35 am  

Gotcha wrote:

i would agree in the final. But history tells us not the case in the Semi, and not the oppossition we have this time. But that is still only one match.

You forgetting about some of those semis vs Saints? 2003, 2010, 2015? Wigan in 2012 weeks after they put50 on us in the league? Finally getting past Bradford in 99?

And what's wrong with the opppsition this time? Current cup holders, looking extremely confident in this competition after winning it last year beating their nearest league rivals in the semis and final and having just dismissed the form team of this year?

Re: RD 19 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:40 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

You forgetting about some of those semis vs Saints? 2003, 2010, 2015? Wigan in 2012 weeks after they put50 on us in the league? Finally getting past Bradford in 99?

And what's wrong with the opppsition this time? Current cup holders, looking extremely confident in this competition after winning it last year beating their nearest league rivals in the semis and final and having just dismissed the form team of this year?

Not forgetting at all the prior 2013, and had we got Wigan this time I think we woudl have had to raise much more. But the teams now compared to then are simply not the same, and play anything like they did just a few years ago. Hull are a poor side, they are where they are because of the oppossition out there, rather than been a good side. We are exactly the same. That dosn't make either team a comparison to those other years you mention.