[Bullseye]

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:57 am  

Seems that a decision has been made that offences get annulled after a year I think. But given the woeful level of reporting of this and the byzantine complexity of it all who knows?

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:46 am  

GeordieRhino wrote:

Can someone explain how these carry forwards have been arrived at. I get the conversion of offence severity into points that accumulate during the season. But I don’t follow the application of this to 2024 offences. If a player offended last year surely they’ll have served a ban then and those offences extinguished. Or is it that all offences last season, even though they served a ban for them, are carried forward to this year.

Last year's gradings of offence are reduced by one level so for example Lisone's Grade D becomes Grade C hence he starts on 5 points.

We can argue about the fairness of it all (double jeopardy / new NRL imports being exempt) but clearly the intent is that they want to start 2025 as if the system had always been in place. I guess the "it's the same for everyone" attitude has been applied.

As luck would have it we have done OK by having 3 new overseas players plus Holroyd and Gannon coming back from long lay offs.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:50 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Seems that a decision has been made that offences get annulled after a year I think. But given the woeful level of reporting of this and the byzantine complexity of it all who knows?

That's what is being reported by journalists but I haven't found any detail about the practicalities of it. Could be key for us regarding Lisone - he got his 5 points on 22nd February 2024 and we play round 2 this year on 22nd February 2025 so I would hope they will have disappeared by then but who knows?

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:31 pm  

Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update

Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:47 pm  

Rhino at work wrote: Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update Sam Burgess not happy apparently hence the RL looking at it again.

Rhino at work wrote: Looks like the RFL are now back pedaling on the b/f points from 2024 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... %93-update Sam Burgess not happy apparently hence the RL looking at it again.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:47 pm  

Nailed on that someone would be.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:02 pm  

he said if a player served a ban last year for an offence why should he get points this year for the same offence. the player is being punished twice.
and he is correct.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:31 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

he said if a player served a ban last year for an offence why should he get points this year for the same offence. the player is being punished twice.
and he is correct.

Blindingly obvious double jeopardy to everyone except the RFL it appears. That these regs have got this far into the public domain without anyone pointing this out is incredible, because surely if someone had they'd have already addressed this. But then, this is the RFL. They really don't help themselves.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:50 pm  

no they don't. unless a player has a ban to be served just start fresh.

Re: New Disciplinary rules : Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:10 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

he said if a player served a ban last year for an offence why should he get points this year for the same offence. the player is being punished twice.
and he is correct.

But players' past records over previous seasons were a factor in how their offences were graded and judged under the old system. Thdidn't enter the new year with a clean record and attempting to mirror this would seem appropriate to me. Burgess whining because his team is an ill-disciplined rabble isn't a good reason to change anything.