: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:22 pm  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

Is anyone seriously suggesting that England lost because of Danny McGuire? If he had not been in the starting line up would it have made a whole load of difference?

It might have made a difference, yes, if the replacement had been defensively stronger and prepared/able to play a good game.

‘Scapegoat’ and ‘whipping boy’ spring to mind here.

Mmm. Indeed. My point about Wello last year and my vicarious pleasure at seeing a Leeds player get it in the neck for a change. (But I have to confess I'm getting bored with that now; the novelty is wearing off)

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:09 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I didn't take any joy in yesterday (well, except in the second half, which I thoroughly enjoyed). I'm taking joy - as I confessed - in a Leeds player being vilified for yesterday given that this time last year it was Wello who was taking the crap - from your lot, as well. If you cannot appreciate the difference between what I actually wrote and your suggestion then there is little hope for you.

The point you spectacularly miss is that yesterday McGuire was not playing for Leeds. He was playing for England. You took joy in the failings of an England player because of your club bias. You say that yourself. That makes you pathetic and confirms my post.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:14 pm  

cymraegrhino wrote:

At the most he has 4, the same as mcguire, 2001,2003,2005,2006

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Danny McGuire - 4 winners, 1 losers

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:17 pm  

going off tangent a bit here

watched the 2004 Grand Final DVD the other day, I was shocked to see McGuire used to be a fantastic kicker, whats happened? I had forgotten this used to be part of his arsenal

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:18 pm  

Lawrie L wrote:

going off tangent a bit here

watched the 2004 Grand Final DVD the other day, I was shocked to see McGuire used to be a fanstastic kicker, whats happened?

Watch the 2009 Grand Final dvd then numbnuts. He still is.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:29 pm  

G1 wrote:

Watch the 2009 Grand Final dvd then numbnuts. He still is.

He wasn't too shabby in 07 and 08 either!!

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:32 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

He wasn't too shabby in 07 and 08 either!!

Yep, and even if his long kicking game isnt as good as it was, his short kicking is superb.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:40 pm  

G1 wrote:

Oh, I thought I was reading what we're usually being told about Sinfield. Except after yesterday you don't have that in your ammunition.

And by the way sunbeam, I have you and the sad Wigan fans posting on here sussed. Don't try and dress this bile up as anything other than what it is.

All season long you've had little opportunity to get your digs in about our players because, frankly, they've been vastly superior to yours (and, as always, vastly superior to the Wigan lot).

So this is a perfect opportunity for you to get the knives. Out. This is nothing to do with being an England fan. You let your guard slip with your pathetic comment about taking joy in yesterday. This is just an opportunity for you to finally stick the boot into the Leeds players and, frankly, you're pathetic. This is an England team. The domestic season is over.

We understand that our players aren't good enough. We get told all the time on here. But here's the thing. If the rest of the shower in this league could offer us a challenge and produce some home grown players every now and again then England wouldn't have to rely so heavily on our lads.

I have commented on here that McGuire was terrible yesterday. I have no club bias when assessing England because I am an England fan. I take no pleasure from player X playing badly for England because they're playing for Eng;land.

Sadly that seems too complicated a concept for the likes of you and the pathetic Wigan fans who have surfaced on here.

100% on the money

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:57 pm  

G1 wrote:

The point you spectacularly miss is that yesterday McGuire was not playing for Leeds. He was playing for England.

MY POINT PRECISELY!!!!!

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:58 pm  

McGuire played like a lost puppy again. He's a confidence player and it really shows against Aus IMO - he looks to be one of the most overawed players out there. He needs to show far more composure at international level. To be frank I think he suffers from the same problem as most of our halfbacks - we play a far, far too unstructured game, and it really shows when we face better teams.

To be fair though, the right side defence for England was an absolute shambles for an entire half. You can blame McGuire, Smith and Briscoe, but watch all the Aussie tries - not a single English forward on the right side of the field. If anybody - and I mean anybody - tried to defend 3 against 5 on the left against Lockyer, Slater and Inglis they will be put through the cleaners. England have to learn that the sliding defence is absolutely hopeless against a team which like Australia has big fast outside backs and can move the ball quickly.