Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:51 pm  

mirfieldrhino wrote:

As I understand it, a play the ball has four elements. Lifting the ball clear of the ground, regaining your feet, placing the ball on the ground and then playing it backwards with your foot. To the letter of the law, if one of these elements is done incorrectly then a penalty should be awarded.

I think common sense comes into play though from a ref's p.o.v and they award a scrum depending on what the infringement is. In my opinion, if an accidental knock on occurs, a scrum should be awarded. Where the ball in deliberately played incorrectly in order to try and gain an advantage, a penalty should be awarded.

Yes, that is my understanding, although the lifting of the ball and regaining your feet don't have to be in that order and in fact the rule states "The tackled player shall without delay regain his feet where he was tackled, lift the ball clear of the ground, face his opponent’s goal line and drop or place the ball on the ground in front of his foremost foot.", as long as they get to their feet and lift the ball clear it does not matter how. It does still however say, 'drop or place the ball on the ground in front of his foremost foot'!

And I agree with you and how ref's are looking at it, it makes sense, but the rules don't state what strictly should be done if the above is not performed correctly.

Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:57 pm  

Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:

It does still however say, 'drop or place the ball on the ground in front of his foremost foot'!

Ah yes the early seventies. Where did they go.

Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:43 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

As the Hull knock on resulting in 6 more tackles and your second to last try, as mentioned on page one and two, were around the same place and therefore right in front of you, do you have any comment on that?

It was the correct decision (slightly), a leeds hand tipped the ball into a hull players grasp and the hull player therefore knocked on. It should of been a scrum for hull for the first knock on from the leeds hand but he waved 6 to go.

Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:24 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

As the Hull knock on resulting in 6 more tackles and your second to last try, as mentioned on page one and two, were around the same place and therefore right in front of you, do you have any comment on that?

Without wishing to be like Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger I honestly didn't see it.

Apart from Senior's first try Ryan Hall's try was also a double movement. He was tackled well short and both his elbows were on the ground.

I think we are all agreed that the officials were poor and both sides were the victims of bad decisions. I'm not going to claim "we wuz robbed" nor can you say that Bentham kept us in it. You were undoubtedly the better team and deserved to win. That 20 minute spell in the second half when you ripped through our defence and offloaded at will was the best attacking rugby I've seen all season. However I can't help thinking that the match may have been closer had you not been gifted a 12 point start by the officials.

Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:43 pm  

Blue 'n Amber wrote:

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Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:46 pm  

rhinogonemad wrote:

I sit in the main stand and two out of the three tries scored by briscoe were country mile forward and both times the linesman was right there and yet didn't flag either, i thought thirty points flattered hull significantley, they were never in the game really as an attacking force

Thoughts anyone ??

I have seen this several times. We might as well not have linesman

Re: Linesman : Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:31 pm  

Nobeerineasthull wrote:

This happened pretty much in front of me. Senior was clearly held up and was on his back with the ball on his chest.

Not sure why that would matter as Senior appeared to ground the ball before getting rolled over on to his back anyway.

Re: Linesman : Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:49 am  

Nobeerineasthull wrote:

Apart from Senior's first try Ryan Hall's try was also a double movement. He was tackled well short and both his elbows were on the ground.

Are you sure he did not drop to the ground before the tackle and then lifted his arm again before the tackle came in? I am going to look at this again later on Sky, but you could of course be correct.

Re: Linesman : Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:19 am  

Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:

Are you sure he did not drop to the ground before the tackle and then lifted his arm again before the tackle came in? I am going to look at this again later on Sky, but you could of course be correct.

Having seen it again once, at full speed, on the highlights it looked to me like he wasn't held when he hit the deck and was well within his rights to promote the ball.

Re: Linesman : Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:23 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Having seen it again once, at full speed, on the highlights it looked to me like he wasn't held when he hit the deck and was well within his rights to promote the ball.

That is what it looked like to me on the day as well. Will watch later.