: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:18 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Two. He was poor against France as well.

bitter

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:19 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

I went to the world cup! I love England! I find it ironic you question my support for the national side when you admit in your post you are reveling in an England players poor performance because its not a saint? you are one big contradiction!

You didn't read my post, honeybunch. I said I was obtaining vicarious pleasure from the fact that it is a Leeds player this year who is getting vilified rather than a Saints player, as it was last year in the person of Wello. Remember? I'm sure you do.

So forgive my little indulgence. It's one I cannot resist. However, that does not detract from the obvious truth that Mcguire was naff yesterday. Some of your fellow fans can accept this truth; others alas have issues.

Now, I have been consistent in saying that Sinfield was good in the second half and Lee Smith improved when he was played at wing (which is where he should play against the Kiwis, so long as he remembers that he needs to defend the spot as well as score tries). Peacock wasn't so hot but he was playing out of position and so IMO can be given some leeway as a result. Hopefully he'll find some of his usual international form for the Kiwi game. I would imagine Smith will swap him back for that match given his size and aggression (both of which we need against the Kiwis).

I believe I have also said on here elsewhere that Roby was poor at nine and he improved when moved, so like I said: I am talking as an England supporter, not a Saints supporter. The season is over and done with. I'm all immersed in the international stuff at present.

Pity Lebanon didn't beat so-called Scotland. At least Lebanon do actually play rugby league.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:33 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

You didn't read my post, honeybunch. I said I was obtaining vicarious pleasure from the fact that it is a Leeds player this year who is getting vilified rather than a Saints player, as it was last year in the person of Wello. Remember? I'm sure you do.

So forgive my little indulgence. It's one I cannot resist. However, that does not detract from the obvious truth that Mcguire was naff yesterday. Some of your fellow fans can accept this truth; others alas have issues.

Now, I have been consistent in saying that Sinfield was good in the second half and Lee Smith improved when he was played at wing (which is where he should play against the Kiwis, so long as he remembers that he needs to defend the spot as well as score tries). Peacock wasn't so hot but he was playing out of position and so IMO can be given some leeway as a result. Hopefully he'll find some of his usual international form for the Kiwi game. I would imagine Smith will swap him back for that match given his size and aggression (both of which we need against the Kiwis).

I believe I have also said on here elsewhere that Roby was poor at nine and he improved when moved, so like I said: I am talking as an England supporter, not a Saints supporter. The season is over and done with. I'm all immersed in the international stuff at present.

Pity Lebanon didn't beat so-called Scotland. At least Lebanon do actually play rugby league.

you do protest too much me thinks!

The truth is mcguire had a poor game by his own standards! But he also did some good stuff! I agree roby was poor and I think his dummy half distribution is shocking and his passing against the french was poor too which I have posted but I don't feel the need to vilify him!

I understand why people are doing it with mcguire I just think it's weak that they arnt man enough to admit to their sad motivation

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:48 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

what on the basis of one bad game???

hope you dont apply that logic to the Stains side or you might never see half of them again

no not on the basis of a bad game on the basis of mcguire cant create hes a top support player, we dont make breaks so why have himin the team.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:58 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

no not on the basis of a bad game on the basis of mcguire cant create hes a top support player, we dont make breaks so why have himin the team.

oh dear oh dear! You obviously don't see enough of him play or maybe at all?

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:03 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

oh dear oh dear! You obviously don't see enough of him play or maybe at all?

im not saying he dosent try but the proof is in the pudding, he dosent take the line on and runs across but hes a great support player. are we making breaks, no ,so why have him in.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:12 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

im not saying he dosent try but the proof is in the pudding, he dosent take the line on and runs across but hes a great support player. are we making breaks, no ,so why have him in.

yes the proof is in the pudding mcguire was the stand off with the most try assists in sl(including play offs)

I have facts and you have a point of view! Which seems a very ill informed one

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:23 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

no not on the basis of a bad game on the basis of mcguire cant create hes a top support player, we dont make breaks so why have himin the team.

try reading his stats......

Danny McGuire

Leeds

Position 6
Shirt number 6
Appearances 25
Tries 10
Try assists 15
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 2090
Carries 361
Tackles 369
Offloads 29
Attacking Kicks 101
Runs from dummy half 30
Tackle Busts 55
Marker tackles 46
Clean Breaks 21
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 150
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 40
Errors 32
Penalties 11
Red cards 0
Yellow cards

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:30 pm  

On reflection I'd like to see Mcguire organise his forwards building pressure with plus ones and simple ruck plays, he looked on sat to cut forwards out and drift to try find try scoring passes instead of running holding lines and working with option runners. Looking at it I'd be suprised if TS focused much on exit sets and attack structure

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:46 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

yes the proof is in the pudding mcguire was the stand off with the most try assists in sl(including play offs)

I have facts and you have a point of view! Which seems a very ill informed one

was he realy gosh. well tell him to do it at the top level then