: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:07 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Not being techy at all. Just a different pint of view. If the "vast majority of posts that" you "have read" agree with your point of view this does not make it the correct one. Many of these posts have been from people that seem to have a bias against Sinfield. For most of Sinfield's international appearances he was one of the top tacklers and certainly was no worse than the rest. I agree he has never shown his top club form but as a creative ball player you do need the other players to run off you. When they do things happen. Big bashers up the middle are 2 a penny, ball players are few and far between. Too many times Sinfield has just had to drive the ball in which is not his forte.

So basically you're agreeing with me other than that Sinfield's best position for his country is hooker. Well you're entitled to your opinion of course but the fact that everyone agrees on this, including the national coach (and his ex club coach, no less!) and Sinfield himself, would suggest that it does make it correct. Alternatively your lone voice is espousing the one true and correct opinion. I'll leave it to your good self to decide the reality of the situation.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:07 pm  

Excellent performance last night from him and indeed went some way to proving me wrong, happy yo say it, but he has much to do to prove me wrong. He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays.

Burrows has produced for 1 series and done nothing prior to it or since, it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:20 pm  

jonh wrote:

Excellent performance last night from him and indeed went some way to proving me wrong, happy yo say it, but he has much to do to prove me wrong. He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays.

Burrows has produced for 1 series and done nothing prior to it or since, it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.

He's got F#CK ALL to prove to you or anyone else for that matter,you like the other "experts" have been shown up for what you are.
A 1 eyed club fan who can't see past his own club jealousy when watching England!!

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:32 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

:lol:
He's got F#CK ALL to prove to you or anyone else for that matter,you like the other "experts" have been shown up for what you are.
A 1 eyed club fan who can't see past his own club jealousy when watching England!!

His England form up to this series has been poor, he has underachieved given his ability.

If you can't see this I would suggest the bit in bold is far more an appropriate assessment of you.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:38 pm  

jonh wrote:

His England form up to this series has been poor, he has underachieved given his ability.

If you can't see this I would suggest the bit in bold is far more an appropriate assessment of you.

He doesn't have the "mental strength" for England you said so he's already proved you wrong on that point with his consistency,now you say he's got a long way to go to prove you wrong!!

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:42 pm  

jonh wrote:

Excellent performance last night from him and indeed went some way to proving me wrong, happy yo say it,

Really? You're happy to say it?

jonh wrote:

but he has much to do to prove me wrong.

jonh wrote:

He now has to kick on and do it next week and in the next series in which he plays.

Why only him? Why not Tomkins, Eastmond, Briscoe, Peacock, Morley, Roby, Wilkin, Hall, Fox, Bridge, Shenton etc

jonh wrote:

Burrows

Who?

jonh wrote:

Burrow has produced for 1 series and done nothing prior to it

He'd only played in 1 game prior to it.

jonh wrote:

or since,

That series was in 2007, by that logic every single player who played in the World Cup should be dropped. You really are making yourself look stupid.

jonh wrote:

it is now up to Sinfield after all the false dawns to truly establish himself as an International player.

Your apparent bitterness is really quite funny to see.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:42 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

He doesn't have the "mental strength" for England you said so he's already proved you wrong on that point with his consistency,now you say he's got a long way to go to prove you wrong!!

Presuming you go to Rhino's games, you see Sinfield alot more than I do, yet I know that the Sinfield we see in Super League hasn't been seen at International level. Do you agree?

If you do then you are agreeing with jonh, and so there isn't much point arguing, if you don't then I think you might be in the minority mate.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:48 pm  

BigRob wrote:

Your apparent bitterness is really quite funny to see.

I don't get this, surely bitterness would be "Sinfield is terrible" even after a good performance. When actually all Jonh is saying is that Sinfield had a good game, and know he needs to put on a good display to cement himself as an international player.

Why is that bitterness?

(btw, Bitterness: resentment: a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will.
Thats a definition of bitterness, I'd tell you to ask your english teacher but it's the weekend and I don't want you to look a fool for whole day just because you don't understand one word)

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:48 pm  

Batesy wrote:

Presuming you go to Rhino's games, you see Sinfield alot more than I do, yet I know that the Sinfield we see in Super League hasn't been seen at International level. Do you agree?

If you do then you are agreeing with jonh, and so there isn't much point arguing, if you don't then I think you might be in the minority mate.

That Sinfield hasnt shown his qualities at International level up until this year isnt in question. Whether thats Sinfields fault or the coaches is debateable. Personally I think its a bit of both.

But for jonh to come along and take obvious delight in attempting to slag off a player like Sinfield is laughable. He would have a point if he came on and said he didnt think Sinfield had performed at international level and tactically would rather have a backrower like O'Loughlin.
But he didnt. He said Sinfield wasnt up to International level and lacked mental strength.
Which is bo11ocks.
It would be akin to going on the Warrington board and saying that Morley is a puff who cant take a big hit and wimps out whenever things get tough simply because he's had a bad few games.

: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:53 pm  

BigRob wrote:

That Sinfield hasnt shown his qualities at International level up until this year isnt in question. Whether thats Sinfields fault or the coaches is debateable. Personally I think its a bit of both.

But for jonh to come along and take obvious delight in attempting to slag off a player like Sinfield is laughable. He would have a point if he came on and said he didnt think Sinfield had performed at international level and tactically would rather have a backrower like O'Loughlin.
But he didnt. He said Sinfield wasnt up to International level and lacked mental strength.
Which is bo11ocks.
It would be akin to going on the Warrington board and saying that Morley is a puff who cant take a big hit and wimps out whenever things get tough simply because he's had a bad few games.

Maybe he was looking for reasons as to why we haven't seen the best of Sinfield, you don't just turn up to Rugby games and be off your best after having a good season. Form just doesn't work like that in my experience