: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:22 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

how the hell have we won the last three grand finals with such a poop set of players?

sinfield is rubbish
mcguire is rubbish
burrow is a one trick pony
diskin is,and has always been, a slow rubbish player
burgess is a poor imitation of his brother.
donald is rubbish.
senior is past it.
smith can't tackle.

one question cries out at me.
if we are so bad, how poop is everybody else. i suggest these myopic fans stick to there own boards instead of making idiots of themselves on here

with 3 titles on the trot, the knives will be out for our players and that's the agenda people are peddling.

Personally i thought we'd have done better if it wasn't for those stinking saints players.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:34 pm  

So its OK for Tompkins to be invisible when our pack are getting hammered, but McGuire gets slaughtered for it.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:35 pm  

The Nihilist wrote:

So its OK for Tompkins to be invisible when our pack are getting hammered, but McGuire gets slaughtered for it.

The problem was, McGuire was invisible even when our pack weren't getting hammered! And unlike Tomkins, he's played the Aussies before so there is this expectation that he will actually be able to bring something to the party. Which he profoundly failed to do.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:42 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

The problem was, McGuire was invisible even when our pack weren't getting hammered! And unlike Tomkins, he's played the Aussies before so there is this expectation that he will actually be able to bring something to the party. Which he profoundly failed to do.

He was poor but the amount of stick he's getting is disgusting, it shouldn't matter whether you've played the Aussies before or not if your supposidly good enough to play test rugby then you should be able "to bring something to the party" Every England player in the first half was shocking with the exception of Crabtree and Sinfield, even Tompkins and Burgess who are getting creamed over were shizz. But it seems to me McGuire is being made a scapegoat for what was a very poor performance from everyone in an England shirt

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:48 pm  

Maguire was poor and struggled I agree but wasnt helped by Tompkins failure to get into the game early on.

Tompkins didnt get hold of the game from the halves and he should have been expected to from the 1st minute..........in similar circumstances a young Shaun Edwards would have wanted the ball at every opportunity.

I thought once we were beat he came into the game and performed reasonably but you cant start performing at 26-0 down!!

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:07 pm  

The Nihilist wrote:

He was poor but the amount of stick he's getting is disgusting

It's perfectly appropriate and personally, I'm enjoying it after our lot got stick last year.

But aside from my vicarious enjoyment, the truth of the matter is that he stood out as having a very poor game - all the way through.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:09 pm  

darwoo11 wrote:

I thought once we were beat he came into the game and performed reasonably but you cant start performing at 26-0 down!!

Tell that to Tony Smith. He should have addressed the obvious leak we had in the first half instead of waiting for the Aussies to grab 26 points from us.

That was Tomkins' and Eastmond's first game against the Aussies. I think as young players they did extremely well, especially Tomkins who was given precious little support in the first half by any of the experienced campaigners.

However, like I said, Tony Smith should have addressed our leak in the first half, preferably after the second try had been scored. That was a dismal failure on behalf of our national coach.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:20 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

So it was 2 players fault that he didn't get the ball?????????

who made all the kicks in those first 20 minutes Mcguire & Sinfield did, Tomkins was not allowed near the ball.

the ball never got passed to Tomkins due to the greediness of Mcguire and Sinfield.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:21 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

It's perfectly appropriate and personally, I'm enjoying it after our lot got stick last year.

But aside from my vicarious enjoyment, the truth of the matter is that he stood out as having a very poor game - all the way through.

That you enjoy England playing badly speaks volumes for your character or lack thereof.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:37 pm  

G1 wrote:

That you enjoy England playing badly speaks volumes for your character or lack thereof.

Well, I've heard some arrogance from Leeds fans but that really does push it, even for Leeds fans! Since when has Mcguire equalled England?

I no more enjoyed England's first half performance than did anyone else. I was there and watched it all unfold in the flesh. However, it was great to see the improvement in the England side during the second half. Just a pity Mcguire couldn't have improved with the rest of the team.