Re: Mcguire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:15 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

Mags had a poor first half and had a better second half same as most of the team did!

burgess knocked on 2 good balls from mags! Mags gets the blame I'm guessing? mcguire slipped off slater tackle after covering his man which was Lockyer then covered for the shocking centre wing defence? Mags fault I'm guessing?

mags defused at least 3 Aussie trys as sweeper, kick chased well and worked well to link up with tomkins for the try.

mags by his own standards had a poor game but still did some good things!

I figured the knives would be out for mags! But these boards are full of idiots

Burgess dropped 2 good balls from McGuire ???? you have to be joking good balls ! He was terrible today

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:16 am  

I think you'll find only McGuire coming in for any stick.

I thought Sinfield did a good job and once Smith was on the wing, he was fine too (a defensive disaster in the first half though).

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:18 am  

Sinfield was far better when he went into the dummy half (hooker) role.

Roby was very poor in that position.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:20 am  

thats because he is a full back/winger. he made a good job of centre in SL,as did lee gilmour.

however the aussies had dummy runners all over the place and the fringes were dragged all over the pitch leaving the outside backs isolated.
the fact is senior apart we don't have a good centre.
also a better coach would have the team far better organised

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:20 am  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

mcguire is more a support player who offers nothing different,

Hello and welcome to 2004!!

Re: Mcguire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:21 am  

Rhino Roy wrote:

Burgess dropped 2 good balls from McGuire ???? you have to be joking good balls ! He was terrible today

Burgess's first major contributions to the game were 2 dropped balls and a penalty conceded (and I'm sorry but you have to be awake at international level - even I knew McGuire was going to offload from the tackle, they were the sort of passes that were sticking in the second half).

Burgess was sloppy against France as well and dropped planty of ball, but somehow nothing sticks on him at the moment.

Re: Mcguire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:44 am  

DHM wrote:

Burgess's first major contributions to the game were 2 dropped balls and a penalty conceded (and I'm sorry but you have to be awake at international level - even I knew McGuire was going to offload from the tackle, they were the sort of passes that were sticking in the second half).

Burgess was sloppy against France as well and dropped planty of ball, but somehow nothing sticks on him at the moment.

Quite. I think he's been trying a bit too hard. His ball security is terrible. The rest of his game is great though. But, at this level, being as far behind in talent terms as we are, he cannot turn the ball over as much as he has been doing.

And if one eyed Wigan fans think its' Sinfield and McGuires fault that Tomkins couldn;t get his hands on the ball for 50 mins then you have to question whether the kid is up to it yet. Do you think Andy Gregory would've let other players monopolise the ball?

Tomkins is not yet a dominating half back. He was completely overawed in the 1st half. The only people to blame for that are Tomkins himself and Smith for perhaps selecting him when he wasn't ready.

2nd half, Tomkins was much better but he will have to develop more to his game than that predictable step.

: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:07 pm  

i cannot belief mags has been slaughterd yes he didnt play is best game for country but to write him of no.I think smith got it wrong playing jp 2nd row he defended too far in leaving argubly the worlds best player inglis and slater to have one on ones briscoe should have come in and forced the aussies to go round them a sliding defence which is used every week at leeds.The 2 new halves eastman and tomkins were good in last 25mins when we had more ball and all bares well for future.Sam burgess came to leeds with bradford this year and was slaughterd about his performance and was taken of ,yesterday he looked every inch the great young prospect he no doubt his .Point is class is permanent semi final last year mags was our best player for england the player andrew johns was raving about fact, he has scored in grand finals world club finals test matches against any country, fact still only 26 so come on lets get of his back .

Re: Mcguire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:09 pm  

G1 wrote:

Quite. I think he's been trying a bit too hard. His ball security is terrible. The rest of his game is great though. But, at this level, being as far behind in talent terms as we are, he cannot turn the ball over as much as he has been doing.

And if one eyed Wigan fans think its' Sinfield and McGuires fault that Tomkins couldn;t get his hands on the ball for 50 mins then you have to question whether the kid is up to it yet. Do you think Andy Gregory would've let other players monopolise the ball?

Tomkins is not yet a dominating half back. He was completely overawed in the 1st half. The only people to blame for that are Tomkins himself and Smith for perhaps selecting him when he wasn't ready.

2nd half, Tomkins was much better but he will have to develop more to his game than that predictable step.

The reason Tomkins was not seen in the first half was because our pack was getting destroyed. The introduction of Crabtree and Burgess, gave us a bit of grunt up front as they didnt seem intimidated by the Aussies. Also good ball from Sinfield at Hooker meant Tomkins was in the game more.

Re: Mcguire : Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:12 pm  

Richard_bull wrote:

The reason Tomkins was not seen in the first half was because our pack was getting destroyed. The introduction of Crabtree and Burgess, gave us a bit of grunt up front as they didnt seem intimidated by the Aussies. Also good ball from Sinfield at Hooker meant Tomkins was in the game more.

Absolutely spot on