: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:22 pm  

Maybe if all these wonderful potential England players that are being kept out of their rightful England jersey by such inadequate Leeds players could actually play better during the season then the obviously inept Leeds players might not get rightfully selected.

What's the other little nugget we've had over the England squad. Oh yes, too Many Warrington players.

Well guess what? These Warrington and leeds players only went out and won all the trophies in the domestic competition.

Now, if all these Great players at other clubs didn't hide their lights under a bushell all season long then maybe the selectors might notice them and give them a chance and maybe all these players, playing well within themselves all season long at clubs who win fook all, would wallop the Aussies and the Kiwis.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, these players are the best we have got and they're simply not as good as their antipodean counterparts? Maybe, just maybe, we don't have any alternatives because clubs like Wigan, Bradford and many, many others have for many years been woefully inept in comparison to Leeds and Saints in producing, and playing, young English players.

So, that being the case, maybe the fans of other clubs could STFU until their own teams put their houses in order and we finally have some decent young players playing at all clubs throughout the competition.

You know, maybe Lee Smith is not good enough for England. But I'll tell you what, the likes of Pat Richards, Cameron Phelps and George Carmont aren't exactly providing Smith with great alternatives in the threequarters now are they?

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:32 pm  

G1 wrote:

Maybe if all these wonderful potential England players that are being kept out of their rightful England jersey by such inadequate Leeds players could actually play better during the season then the obviously inept Leeds players might not get rightfully selected.

What's the other little nugget we've had over the England squad. Oh yes, too Many Warrington players.

Well guess what? These Warrington and leeds players only went out and won all the trophies in the domestic competition.

Now, if all these Great players at other clubs didn't hide their lights under a bushell all season long then maybe the selectors might notice them and give them a chance and maybe all these players, playing well within themselves all season long at clubs who win fook all, would wallop the Aussies and the Kiwis.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, these players are the best we have got and they're simply not as good as their antipodean counterparts? Maybe, just maybe, we don't have any alternatives because clubs like Wigan, Bradford and many, many others have for many years been woefully inept in comparison to Leeds and Saints in producing, and playing, young English players.

So, that being the case, maybe the fans of other clubs could STFU until their own teams put their houses in order and we finally have some decent young players playing at all clubs throughout the competition.

You know, maybe Lee Smith is not good enough for England. But I'll tell you what, the likes of Pat Richards, Cameron Phelps and George Carmont aren't exactly providing Smith with great alternatives in the threequarters now are they?

Good post.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:35 pm  

G1 wrote:

Maybe if all these wonderful potential England players that are being kept out of their rightful England jersey by such inadequate Leeds players could actually play better during the season then the obviously inept Leeds players might not get rightfully selected.

What's the other little nugget we've had over the England squad. Oh yes, too Many Warrington players.

Well guess what? These Warrington and leeds players only went out and won all the trophies in the domestic competition.

Now, if all these Great players at other clubs didn't hide their lights under a bushell all season long then maybe the selectors might notice them and give them a chance and maybe all these players, playing well within themselves all season long at clubs who win fook all, would wallop the Aussies and the Kiwis.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, these players are the best we have got and they're simply not as good as their antipodean counterparts? Maybe, just maybe, we don't have any alternatives because clubs like Wigan, Bradford and many, many others have for many years been woefully inept in comparison to Leeds and Saints in producing, and playing, young English players.

So, that being the case, maybe the fans of other clubs could STFU until their own teams put their houses in order and we finally have some decent young players playing at all clubs throughout the competition.

You know, maybe Lee Smith is not good enough for England. But I'll tell you what, the likes of Pat Richards, Cameron Phelps and George Carmont aren't exactly providing Smith with great alternatives in the threequarters now are they?

Smith and Mcguire were so far out of their depth it was laughable. Get over it

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:37 pm  

Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint wrote:

:BOOHOO:

Smith and Mcguire were so far out of their depth it was laughable. Get over it

Yes they were. Who are the Saints English players they were keeping out of the team then? Why did those players not play better than Smith and McGuire during the domestic season to earn an England jersey?

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:41 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

Its more to do with the fact that he gets his rocks off by getting people to hate him on the internet.

I don't understand it either, I think its possibly a mental illness but I'm neither sure nor interested.

I'm hated - really?

I thought I was popular, having said that you know what they say, hate in terms of definition is very close to love so perhaps the majority on here all very much love me but dont want to admit it.

having said that, if they really do hate me though, and I mean really hate me then I apologise for what ever I have done to warrant it.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:44 pm  

G1 wrote:

Yes they were. Who are the Saints English players they were keeping out of the team then? Why did those players not play better than Smith and McGuire during the domestic season to earn an England jersey?

I would have Pryce any day of the week over McGuire, having said that, that really is the true definition of lack of availability!!

Smith should be playing FB for me, but having said that Briscoe has been pretty good if you ask me.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:46 pm  

G1 wrote:

Maybe if all these wonderful potential England players that are being kept out of their rightful England jersey by such inadequate Leeds players could actually play better during the season then the obviously inept Leeds players might not get rightfully selected.

What's the other little nugget we've had over the England squad. Oh yes, too Many Warrington players.

Well guess what? These Warrington and leeds players only went out and won all the trophies in the domestic competition.

Now, if all these Great players at other clubs didn't hide their lights under a bushell all season long then maybe the selectors might notice them and give them a chance and maybe all these players, playing well within themselves all season long at clubs who win fook all, would wallop the Aussies and the Kiwis.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, these players are the best we have got and they're simply not as good as their antipodean counterparts? Maybe, just maybe, we don't have any alternatives because clubs like Wigan, Bradford and many, many others have for many years been woefully inept in comparison to Leeds and Saints in producing, and playing, young English players.

So, that being the case, maybe the fans of other clubs could STFU until their own teams put their houses in order and we finally have some decent young players playing at all clubs throughout the competition.

You know, maybe Lee Smith is not good enough for England. But I'll tell you what, the likes of Pat Richards, Cameron Phelps and George Carmont aren't exactly providing Smith with great alternatives in the threequarters now are they?

Is that why Leeds have let him go and signed Delaney.
Is that why you got rid of Mathers and Calderwood and signed Donald and Webb?

BTW I'm not saying you are completely wrong, if it was a GB side Richards would be in.

I would also have given Michael Lawrence a chance. There is no one more supportive of young players than I am

Tomkins, Briscoe, O'loughlin and Hock (idiot) are all Wigan lads, not from Castleford and Oldham if you get my drift.

Wigans academy and reserve sides are producing the likes of Tomkins (x3) Hansen, Prescott, O'Carroll, Mossop, Goulding (although he hasn't progressed as much as I thought he would.

Good debate though.

Leeds academy this season was the worst I've ever seen it in recent times.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:46 pm  

Richie Ramrod wrote:

I'm hated - really?

I thought I was popular, having said that you know what they say, hate in terms of definition is very close to love so perhaps the majority on here all very much love me but dont want to admit it.

having said that, if they really do hate me though, and I mean really hate me then I apologise for what ever I have done to warrant it.

I dont hate ya tinyrod!!! FFS I dont even know ya!!!

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:47 pm  

Richie Ramrod wrote:

I would have Pryce any day of the week over McGuire, having said that, that really is the true definition of lack of availability!!

yet ask any Saints fan and they will tell you he's been terrible this year. On what basis are you handing out international appearances?

Smith should be playing FB for me, but having said that Briscoe has been pretty good if you ask me.

A position he's not really played at club level since about week 3 of the season. Yet you still think he's Englands best at that position. You might be right.

Had he played at full back on Saturday do you think the result would've been ANY different?

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:47 pm  

Richie Ramrod wrote:

I would have Pryce any day of the week over McGuire, having said that, that really is the true definition of lack of availability!!

Smith should be playing FB for me, but having said that Briscoe has been pretty good if you ask me.

So you keep saying but if the team is picked on "form" DM has outplayed him in the last 3 GF'S which is the biggest game of the year he's also been more consistent within the SL season so your opinion is shot to pieces by the respective performances!!
We know mcguire was poor on saturday as were many others but championing a player he's comfortably out-played isn't even a reasonable argument.