: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:18 pm  

loinertillidie wrote:

Andy there was no attempt to put anything in context. You said Jamie Peacock is shot. That he has no zip and has boots of concrete. Let's not try to pretend that you meant that he only has no zip and concrete shoes in International games. Now he is either shot or he isn't.

Which is it?

He's no longer capable of performing at international level. As a player at that level, he's shot. At the massively inferior level of SL he can still do a job as his deficiencies aren't as clearly exposed.

Clearer for you?

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 pm  

Lots negative said about McGuire and most of it true. His position in defence was poor, his kicking average and his distribution slow. His passing, which someone on here has said is good, was terrible: the panicked throw to Burgess for the try, the flat pass that was nearer to the Aus line (I think they knocked on from it), the pass in the second half that Eatmond knocked on (and he knocked on because it was impossible to reach). He seldom shows any ability to take on the line preferring to crab along waiting for a gap.

That said, those players (forwards) who should have moved across were woeful for the tries in the first half leaving the right side exposed.

I am not sure that Australia played that well at all thoughout the game. Despite five easy tries in acres of space, there wasn;t that much great play from them.

Thought Tompkins was okay, but cannot understand why he was only first receiver a couple fo time in nearly fifty minutes of play. Defensively, he (and Shenton) were okay though....which brings me back to McGuire.....oh dear.....

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 pm  

G1 wrote:

Did you once walk in on your mother fellating Sinfield or something?

Its more to do with the fact that he gets his rocks off by getting people to hate him on the internet.

I don't understand it either, I think its possibly a mental illness but I'm neither sure nor interested.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:43 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

He's no longer capable of performing at international level. As a player at that level, he's shot. At the massively inferior level of SL he can still do a job as his deficiencies aren't as clearly exposed.

Clearer for you?

Much, why didn't you just say so?

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:45 pm  

wertyuio wrote:

Lots negative said about McGuire and most of it true. His position in defence was poor, his kicking average and his distribution slow. His passing, which someone on here has said is good, was terrible: the panicked throw to Burgess for the try, the flat pass that was nearer to the Aus line (I think they knocked on from it), the pass in the second half that Eatmond knocked on (and he knocked on because it was impossible to reach). He seldom shows any ability to take on the line preferring to crab along waiting for a gap.

That said, those players (forwards) who should have moved across were woeful for the tries in the first half leaving the right side exposed.

I am not sure that Australia played that well at all thoughout the game. Despite five easy tries in acres of space, there wasn;t that much great play from them.

Thought Tompkins was okay, but cannot understand why he was only first receiver a couple fo time in nearly fifty minutes of play. Defensively, he (and Shenton) were okay though....which brings me back to McGuire.....oh dear.....

Boll*cks. All this McGuire is not good enough cr&p is laughable and predictable.. he had a poor game... so f**king what !! So did the entire team for the first 40. He's got talent. Get behind the lads, we know we're not as good as Australia, but we must support the guys, it's a young team and they need the fans if they are to improve.. which club team they play for shouldn't come into it. But it's so typical of idiotic supporters in this country to overly criticise players depending on what club side they play for.. PATHETIC.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:55 pm  

Here is my post on the Saints board.

"In some ways I'm going to defend McGuire.

The England pack were poor early on, Peacock, Morley and Roby(with ball in hand) in particular.

It was only when Burgess and Crabtree came on that we started to go forward.

It's almost impossible for the halfbacks to perform when the pack is poor.

However, McGuire defensively was poor and looking at his stats in todays League Express 8 tackles made 5 tackles missed and 3 handling errors is poor by any standard, particularly when Lee Smith also missed 5 tackles and concede two penalties.

I actually felt sorry for Tom Briscoe as he was the sacrificial lamb.

Again I question Smiths selection, that starting pack was the same that got battered in Melbourne, and conceded the majority of the tries down our right hand side.

We badly needed a quick defensive second rower to shore up that side. The selection of Peacock in the second row was wrong, and contributed to McGuire and Smiths poor performances."

just too add.
We (England) were far better when Sinfield went into the dummy half (hooker) role.

The forwards and half backs started to get good, fast accurate ball.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:21 pm  

One bad game and your all crying like big babies.

Even when the guy plays well you still hammer him to me that is the biggest sign of Jealousy.

I am sure he does not care what any of you lot say as medals speak for themselves.

Give these players a chance.

Your all ranting and raving about Tomkins and Eastmond sure they have talent but how long until they are found out.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:29 pm  

Man of steel 07 wrote:

but how long until they are found out.

i can't wait to see tomkins next season as he is a very talented player but
i do believe that teams will quickly realise that he nearly always uses his left foot step when attacking the line,so i would theirfor imagine that he may well get lined up and smashed a few times more next season.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:33 pm  

Jonesy's a Legend wrote:

i can't wait to see tomkins next season as he is a very talented player but
i do believe that teams will quickly realise that he nearly always uses his left foot step when attacking the line,so i would theirfor imagine that he may well get lined up and smashed a few times more next season.

Indeed, because his new coach wont work on that at all will he.

: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:34 pm  

Man of steel 07 wrote:

One bad game and your all crying like big babies.

Even when the guy plays well you still hammer him to me that is the biggest sign of Jealousy.

I am sure he does not care what any of you lot say as medals speak for themselves.

Give these players a chance.

Your all ranting and raving about Tomkins and Eastmond sure they have talent but how long until they are found out.

Care to tell me when Mcguire HASNT had a bad game in international colours (except against nz's 3rd team)