Don't think i'm clutching at straws, because i'm not. A few people have posted over time, Fully being one (and the one who my question was aimed at in particular) , that the there IHO is a strong possibility that only one stadium would get built. IF NM gets the nod, and we will probably find out the answer to that before Cas announce they have a buyer for WR IMO, would the fact that NM wouldn't have been taken into account as an objection to the FPP being granted because of the PI, would that be taken into account retrospectively? The financial difficulties, and better use for the land from a planning point of view etc, are these all issues that could retrospectively manifest themselves, or is that not possible legaly etc? I don't know thats why i ask, i do kind of buy into the one ground for the district argument, purely from an economic point of view, but not from a continuation of two teams from the district continuing in SL thing.
We will probably find that Opus submit their Planning Application before Spring first and foremost (at least I would hope!) And FWIW, we have a buyer for Wheldon Road. They are called Opus North (Ltd) in partnership with Palmer Capital and there is more than one supermarket operator interested in the site.
FWIW, I have never said only one stadium will get built as I believe both will get built in time. The real question remains in what timescales and neither party can be convinced of realistic timeframes, however, I remain confident that we will be building next season and we will be in the new stadium beginning of 2014 in full.
Newmarket wouldn't have been considered as an 'objection' because Wakefield cannot object against Glasshoughton or the Wheldon Road application as it has zero effect on them whatsoever. It would change nothing in the state of Glasshoughton whatsoever as has already been said and that is merely straw clutching. Similarly, we do not have financial difficulties as we still have full planning permission and an asset we can sell to fund it. Furthermore, we have agreed contractually to the land up at Glasshoughton.
I should think the future of both clubs will be sorted at the end of March when NM either gets passed or rejected. If it's passed you will have a problem, if it fails we both will. I have kept clear of this debate for nearly a year but I can't see where Cas have moved on one inch in the pat two years. I have no idea whether NM will get the nod but at least the future will be definite one way or the other.
Personally I see no reason for the ludicrous over confidence of the likes of Fully and Cronk any more than I see why Trinity fans feel confident enough to come on here shouting the odds. As it stands we are both in the crapper.
Give over!
Cas are not even thinking about Newmarket, whatsoever. And no it doesn't have an impact on us, nor will you know about Newmarket by the end of March. It will be April earliest. Even if it is passed, there are absolutely no guarantees because of the potential conditions it could be hit with that YCP will have to satisfy.
If it fails, it strengthens the need for Glasshoughton and equally the Council can throw all their weight behind that including funding so will be even more of a necessity. In addition to that, I fully expect that Cas will know more about our position before Wakey even hear back in the Spring.
As for Cas not moving on one inch, I point out the fact we obtained full planning permission for GH last Spring. I point out that we have also found a new buyer for WR that will fully fund the new stadium is preparing an application that is going to be fast-tracked by being submitted in full first and foremost. Ultimately, they want to ensure it gets through at the first attempt.
You see no reason for the over-confidence because you don't know me personally, nor do you know who I speak to or what I know. Notwithstanding that fact, it's clear in your mind you've already made your mind up so it would be remiss really to argue with you.
Don't think i'm clutching at straws, because i'm not. A few people have posted over time, Fully being one (and the one who my question was aimed at in particular) , that the there IHO is a strong possibility that only one stadium would get built. IF NM gets the nod, and we will probably find out the answer to that before Cas announce they have a buyer for WR IMO, would the fact that NM wouldn't have been taken into account as an objection to the FPP being granted because of the PI, would that be taken into account retrospectively? The financial difficulties, and better use for the land from a planning point of view etc, are these all issues that could retrospectively manifest themselves, or is that not possible legaly etc? I don't know thats why i ask, i do kind of buy into the one ground for the district argument, purely from an economic point of view, but not from a continuation of two teams from the district continuing in SL thing.
I must be missing something because I would have thought there would only be a significant economic advantage to the district if WMDC would otherwise be directly contributing funds towards the building of two stadia. As previously stated I agree one club's stadium plans will be damaged/destroyed by the other's coming to fruition first but only because their resulting loss of license may deprive them of the means/motivation to build something of SL standard for the Championship....which is where they would remain because once there is only one SL club in our area it will be kept that way by whatever criteria need to be contrived.
Cas are not even thinking about Newmarket, whatsoever. And no it doesn't have an impact on us, nor will you know about Newmarket by the end of March. It will be April earliest. Even if it is passed, there are absolutely no guarantees because of the potential conditions it could be hit with that YCP will have to satisfy.
If it fails, it strengthens the need for Glasshoughton and equally the Council can throw all their weight behind that including funding so will be even more of a necessity. In addition to that, I fully expect that Cas will know more about our position before Wakey even hear back in the Spring.
As for Cas not moving on one inch, I point out the fact we obtained full planning permission for GH last Spring. I point out that we have also found a new buyer for WR that will fully fund the new stadium is preparing an application that is going to be fast-tracked by being submitted in full first and foremost. Ultimately, they want to ensure it gets through at the first attempt.
You see no reason for the over-confidence because you don't know me personally, nor do you know who I speak to or what I know. Notwithstanding that fact, it's clear in your mind you've already made your mind up so it would be remiss really to argue with you.
You really are a fool and fools never learn. As for knowing who you are - big wow. I know most of the ins and outs of both developments, I've heard it all from all the top people and I still wouldn't bet on either. You have been peddling the same old made up crap for years and still not a single spade of earth has been dug despite your endless bragging that work will be starting within weeks. You give over Fully, you're a fake.
This particular line made me laugh "If it fails, it strengthens the need for Glasshoughton and equally the Council can throw all their weight behind that including funding". You have no idea how far off you are, WMDC couldn't fund a bus shelter let alone invest in a private venture. Make your mind up it is private ISN'T IT, and all the funding according to you is in place - so a massive contradiction. Or are you admitting you are so desperate that the only way you can build GH is with public money. Keep shooting yourself in the foot.
As previously stated I agree one club's stadium plans will be damaged/destroyed by the other's coming to fruition first but only because their resulting loss of license may deprive them of the means/motivation to build something of SL standard for the Championship....which is where they would remain because once there is only one SL club in our area it will be kept that way by whatever criteria need to be contrived.
The one thing on this thread in recent history I agree with, the scheme's tabled are mutually exclusive I think the phrase is - one happening kills the other on so many levels, not least good sense.
As another thread descends into bickering, I am left with one thought. Nobody at WTWC or CTRLFC has any certainty, magic bullet or cast iron assurance of their scheme actually hand on heart guaranteed, if they did then they would be pouring concrete and buying blocks as we speak. So regardless of the marginal who thinks they heard what and who 'knows what' for sure - the margins are narrow at the moment for both scheme's and like others I can consider a situation where neither still happen - but not both.
Genuinely, I think that each respective club has enough to be going on with in their own back yard without trying to tell the other where to get on, off or where they are going wrong. If I had a quid for every nailed on cert and bit of inside knowledge, I would be comfortably off, like the rest of us and most of it turns out to be garbage.
So without prejudice I suggest r before wasting another word on someone else’s problems, we all worry about our own, that way we might be able to make a difference as opposed to making a nuisance.
You really are a fool and fools never learn. As for knowing who you are - big wow. I know most of the ins and outs of both developments, I've heard it all from all the top people and I still wouldn't bet on either. You have been peddling the same old made up crap for years and still not a single spade of earth has been dug despite your endless bragging that work will be starting within weeks. You give over Fully, you're a fake.
This particular line made me laugh "If it fails, it strengthens the need for Glasshoughton and equally the Council can throw all their weight behind that including funding". You have no idea how far off you are, WMDC couldn't fund a bus shelter let alone invest in a private venture. Make your mind up it is private ISN'T IT, and all the funding according to you is in place - so a massive contradiction. Or are you admitting you are so desperate that the only way you can build GH is with public money. Keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Good for you. I would love to know who at Cas or Opus is providing you with information considering they'll be the only ones who genuinely know about the ongoing situation of our project. Your gross exaggeration of me allegedly saying that work will start within weeks his hilarious to say the least; really scraping the barrel to try and find some kind of support. As for me being fake, if you say so petal. I'm 100% genuine, I don't have other personas and I'd be prepared to say everything I've said on here in person too.
With regard to your entire second paragraph, you know full well what I meant but twisted it to try and suit your own argument. You're beyond wasting my breath on. You have in your own imagination what's happening and I very much believe you actually have any facts regarding Glass Houghton, other than the nonsense posted over on the Wakey forum and also the info put out by Opus and RW.
I must be missing something because I would have thought there would only be a significant economic advantage to the district if WMDC would otherwise be directly contributing funds towards the building of two stadia. As previously stated I agree one club's stadium plans will be damaged/destroyed by the other's coming to fruition first but only because their resulting loss of license may deprive them of the means/motivation to build something of SL standard for the Championship....which is where they would remain because once there is only one SL club in our area it will be kept that way by whatever criteria need to be contrived.
Cas are not even thinking about Newmarket, whatsoever. And no it doesn't have an impact on us, nor will you know about Newmarket by the end of March. It will be April earliest. Even if it is passed, there are absolutely no guarantees because of the potential conditions it could be hit with that YCP will have to satisfy.
If it fails, it strengthens the need for Glasshoughton and equally the Council can throw all their weight behind that including funding so will be even more of a necessity. In addition to that, I fully expect that Cas will know more about our position before Wakey even hear back in the Spring.
As for Cas not moving on one inch, I point out the fact we obtained full planning permission for GH last Spring. I point out that we have also found a new buyer for WR that will fully fund the new stadium is preparing an application that is going to be fast-tracked by being submitted in full first and foremost. Ultimately, they want to ensure it gets through at the first attempt.
You see no reason for the over-confidence because you don't know me personally, nor do you know who I speak to or what I know. Notwithstanding that fact, it's clear in your mind you've already made your mind up so it would be remiss really to argue with you.
I think one of vastman's points is the repeated quoting of "As for Cas not moving on one inch, I point out the fact we obtained full planning permission for GH last Spring. I point out that we have also found a new buyer for WR that will fully fund the new stadium" and still nothing has happened. As you point out i dont know you or know what you know, but that wasnt the point of the question, it was simply will your chances be harmed if NM gets the green light? Apologies for mixing you up with with someone else, re only one ground, i read back and you clearly dont think that.
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