Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:37 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Cant accept an outsiders critical opinion so therefore labels it as trolling. Typical.

There is a difference between asking something and then after getting an answer just being silly.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:44 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Sorry buddy.

Whats not sensible about facts and truth?

Bradford have produced more and a better quality of HG players so therefore have a youth policy like and better than Cas, not the other way around as Baz Tiger thinks.

I was just debating and backing up my claims with solid evidence. Simples.

There is a difference between subjectivity and fact. This entire topic is subjective. That is fact.

I tried to discuss both systems honestly from what I knew about Castleford and perceived about Bradford. You decided to not just ignore the points I was making but deride them in some bizarre notion that I was challenging your point rather than just discussing the subject. This isn't about winning and losing, it's about discussing the subject, which is what a healthy forum is about. We have enough 'my dad is bigger than your dad' conversation on here as it is with Wakefield fans and the new stadium, we don't need Bradford fans bitter that their club is now a consistent lower table team on here giving it all that about some other area that Castleford are actually very strong in.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:54 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

There is a difference between subjectivity and fact. This entire topic is subjective. That is fact.

I tried to discuss both systems honestly from what I knew about Castleford and perceived about Bradford. You decided to not just ignore the points I was making but deride them in some bizarre notion that I was challenging your point rather than just discussing the subject. This isn't about winning and losing, it's about discussing the subject, which is what a healthy forum is about. We have enough 'my dad is bigger than your dad' conversation on here as it is with Wakefield fans and the new stadium, we don't need Bradford fans bitter that their club is now a consistent lower table team on here giving it all that about some other area that Castleford are actually very strong in.

No it is not subjective, it is fact.

Bradford have produced more HG talent than Cas - Fact
Bradford have produced better HG talent than Cas - Fact

If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:09 pm  

Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.

Bye..xx

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:02 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote: No it is not subjective, it is fact. Bradford have produced more HG talent than Cas - Fact Bradford have produced better HG talent than Cas - Fact If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced. If you provide a time frame, I'm more than happy to help you get together a list of homegrown Cas players who have played first team. This information is available for you to get yourself on Castigers.net. We can then compare it to the number of homegrown Bradford players who have played first team in the same period. That will determine a fact as to the number of homegrown players each club has produced within a given time frame. As for 'better' homegrown talent. That is 100% subjective, but a sensible way of judging 'better' would be representative honours. For example, Castleford had two homegrown players gain England caps in the 2010 season, how many did Bradford have? Answering questions like these is a good way of ascertaining facts. Saying "Westerman is mediocre" is a way of acting subjectively. I think by looking at facts and figures you may be able to prove your point, but your refusal to even bother and just demeaning the facts that confirm Castleford have produced international class players just makes you look like a pathetic troll rather than a Rugby League fan interested in discussion and debate.

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote: No it is not subjective, it is fact. Bradford have produced more HG talent than Cas - Fact Bradford have produced better HG talent than Cas - Fact If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced. If you provide a time frame, I'm more than happy to help you get together a list of homegrown Cas players who have played first team. This information is available for you to get yourself on Castigers.net. We can then compare it to the number of homegrown Bradford players who have played first team in the same period. That will determine a fact as to the number of homegrown players each club has produced within a given time frame. As for 'better' homegrown talent. That is 100% subjective, but a sensible way of judging 'better' would be representative honours. For example, Castleford had two homegrown players gain England caps in the 2010 season, how many did Bradford have? Answering questions like these is a good way of ascertaining facts. Saying "Westerman is mediocre" is a way of acting subjectively. I think by looking at facts and figures you may be able to prove your point, but your refusal to even bother and just demeaning the facts that confirm Castleford have produced international class players just makes you look like a pathetic troll rather than a Rugby League fan interested in discussion and debate.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:39 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.

Bye..xx

STICK WITH YOUR SIX FATTIES TRUNDLING DOWN THE MIDDLE ......................................................................... Bradford the home of boring rugby

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:07 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.

Bye..xx

Finally! Thanks for taking the hint, petal.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:12 am  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

No it is not subjective, it is fact.

Bradford have poached more HG talent than Cas in the last 15 years - Fact
Bradford have produced less HG talent than Cas in the last 115 years - Fact

If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced.

Edited for accuracy
The title 'Classy Cas' was coined pre-Super League. I've always related it to a particular era not a club brand.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:04 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Anybody taking the challenge?
How about Baztiger, the claiment that Bulls dont have a youth policy like Cas?

Wtf you on about when you talk of home grown players! think you missed the point or are you just thick?? all the bradford players you talk of 99% of them come from other areas not bradford is the point, and as for the so called (poached from other areas) HG players in your currant team nothing to brag about look at where them and a bunch of over the hill ozzy's have got you over the last 2 years!

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:07 pm  

bcfc bradford wrote:

bonjour castleford fans,

I sincerely hope not.Always look forward to our annual trip to the Jungle,Cas fans have always had good banter with us.My second favourite team.