Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:35 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

:lol:

Take me up on the challenge, prove me wrong.

Or cant you?

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:46 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Because you know your list will be blown apart by mine is why you wont do it. Like I said earlier, Lynch is about the best youve produced. Pryce who? The Wayne Variety? You might be upto 11 players, but 11 very good players it is not.

Just please stop trying to kid yourself that Cas's record and policy of youth development is anything remotely similar to ours in terms of numbers and quality.

You seem to be mistaking me for someone who gives a flying **** about your youth development....I was just reponding to questions about ours. However I note you seem to have resorted to the "'I'll show you mine if you show me your's" approach to comparison of products, suggesting you're the only kid around here...and a tiresome one at that if you persist with the argument that established internationals such as Shenton and Elima are not very good players. Please don't feel obliged to reply, I sense a distinct swing of the tedium barometer.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:47 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Take me up on the challenge, prove me wrong.

Or cant you?

I'm laughing at how pathetic you are, how intensely you want to get into an argument over something that is essentially subjective and really doesn't matter in your day-to-day life (I assume).

But to answer your 'challenge', obviously the whole youth system production debate is seen through rose tinted spectacles and is a matter of opinion (for example, only an idiot would label a player with representative honours as 'mediocre'). Personally I would assess Bradford's development system as having produced more international class players over the 15 years of Super League. Over the licensing period, I would suggest that Castleford have produced more international class players, with two home-grown players getting international honours last season (Shenton and Westerman), with a third (Lynch) who should have been down under but for injury and a fourth (Owen) who would have been knocking on the door had it not been for breaking his leg in the first few rounds of 2010.

With two players in the England academy side that just smashed the Aussies (captain Adam Milner and Jordan Thompson) who have started to establish themselves in the first team at Cas, plus a number of other homegrown players expected to become first team regulars at Cas in 2011, the future looks bright and, after a number of years of mismanagement in the early part of the 2000s, the traditionally good Castleford production line is back on track.

As for Bradford's current youth production system, I don't know, but trust you can offer an honest assessment.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:54 pm  

Never said Shenton or Elima wernt good players. Yeah, yours isnt very good at all. A 2/4 of very good players is all youve managed in 15 years, which is pretty darn shocking. The rest of your list are journey men and mediocre squad fillers. In comparison ours have produced a steady record of full internationals, multiple medal winners, GB Captains, men of steel and beyond.

Just go for it, lets see what you come up with. Personally I think youre holding back because you wont like what you see.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:01 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Never said Shenton or Elima wernt good players. Yeah, yours isnt very good at all. A 2/4 of very good players is all youve managed in 15 years, which is pretty darn shocking. The rest of your list are journey men and mediocre squad fillers. In comparison ours have produced a steady record of full internationals, multiple medal winners, GB Captains, men of steel and beyond.

Just go for it, lets see what you come up with. Personally I think youre holding back because you wont like what you see.

Please stop or you might get a warning for trolling.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:19 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

I'm laughing at how pathetic you are, how intensely you want to get into an argument over something that is essentially subjective and really doesn't matter in your day-to-day life (I assume).

But to answer your 'challenge', obviously the whole youth system production debate is seen through rose tinted spectacles and is a matter of opinion (for example, only an idiot would label a player with representative honours as 'mediocre'). Personally I would assess Bradford's development system as having produced more international class players over the 15 years of Super League. Over the licensing period, I would suggest that Castleford have produced more international class players, with two home-grown players getting international honours last season (Shenton and Westerman), with a third (Lynch) who should have been down under but for injury and a fourth (Owen) who would have been knocking on the door had it not been for breaking his leg in the first few rounds of 2010.

With two players in the England academy side that just smashed the Aussies (captain Adam Milner and Jordan Thompson) who have started to establish themselves in the first team at Cas, plus a number of other homegrown players expected to become first team regulars at Cas in 2011, the future looks bright and, after a number of years of mismanagement in the early part of the 2000s, the traditionally good Castleford production line is back on track.

As for Bradford's current youth production system, I don't know, but trust you can offer an honest assessment.

Dont insult me buddy, I aint doing it to you.

That isnt the challenge, I asked somebody to name a 17 man homegrown Cas team and then I could compare it to a 17 man HG Bulls team from the same period of about 15 years.

Your points of Bradford producing more international players has been duly noted and lends considerable weight to my argument that Bradford have consistently produced better quality players than Castleford since the empahasis of producing HG players a priority in the game.

As for international class recently, Shenton sure. But Westerman? Youre not having that one pal, he played in a exhibition game against Cumbria. And Lynch and Owen never made it down under so thats only 1, not 4 mate. As for Bradford developed players in the squad down under, there was Burgess, Atkins & Fielden who all made it there this time around. So again, the numbers side of my argument is still in my favour here pal.

Bradford also had 2 academy players in the England academy fixture and a third that wasnt selected(G Burgess, O Brian & Southernwood) With the latter 2 expected to get games time and kick on this season.

What would you like to know about Bradfords youth production system. We had 16 HG players in our 1st team squad last season, I dont know how many we'll have this year as it hasnt been released yet, I would imagine it would be a high number as always though.


At the end of the day, the chap that claimed that Bulls dont have a youth system like Cas is wrong IMO. Bulls have a youth system that exceeds anything Cas have managed. The evidence for that is very clear.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:22 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

Please stop or you might get a warning for trolling.

Cant accept an outsiders critical opinion so therefore labels it as trolling. Typical.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:25 pm  

Bulls4Champs2010 wrote:

Dont insult me buddy, I aint doing it to you.

Your presence on this forum is insulting my intelligence in me feeling the need to respond to you.

And please don't refer to me as 'buddy' or 'mate', I've wasted way too much of my time already trying to engage in sensible discussion with someone who is so obviously an imbecile. My response was to discuss the relative merits of youth production at Bradford and Castleford in a way that could be assessed sensibly rather than a hand-picked, rose-tinted assessment of a group of names. I don't care whose is better, I'm only concerned with clubs who do produce good quality English talent, not who produces more, and your constant measuring contest is utterly pathetic.

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:28 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

Your presence on this forum is insulting my intelligence in me feeling the need to respond to you.

And please don't refer to me as 'buddy' or 'mate', I've wasted way too much of my time already trying to engage in sensible discussion with someone who is so obviously an imbecile. My response was to discuss the relative merits of youth production at Bradford and Castleford in a way that could be assessed sensibly rather than a hand-picked, rose-tinted assessment of a group of names. I don't care whose is better, I'm only concerned with clubs who do produce good quality English talent, not who produces more, and your constant measuring contest is utterly pathetic.

Its some form of failed medical experiment,

Re: Classy Cas RIP ? : Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:28 pm  

Gazemous wrote:

Your presence on this forum is insulting my intelligence in me feeling the need to respond to you.

And please don't refer to me as 'buddy' or 'mate', I've wasted way too much of my time already trying to engage in sensible discussion with someone who is so obviously an imbecile. My response was to discuss the relative merits of youth production at Bradford and Castleford in a way that could be assessed sensibly rather than a hand-picked, rose-tinted assessment of a group of names. I don't care whose is better, I'm only concerned with clubs who do produce good quality English talent, not who produces more, and your constant measuring contest is utterly pathetic.

Sorry buddy.

Whats not sensible about facts and truth?

Bradford have produced more and a better quality of HG players so therefore have a youth policy like and better than Cas, not the other way around as Baz Tiger thinks.

I was just debating and backing up my claims with solid evidence. Simples.