Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:19 pm  

The 2 milan clubs share a stadium in milan.
Put cas at NM and you are taking rugby league out of castleford.
Is that what we want.

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:30 pm  

deeHell wrote:

The £2m that Cas were after should all go to the community trust. At the end of the day their the ones building the facilities for the whole community to use.

No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.

Who knows? it may happen in a few months time or whenever.

There should be no reason (at this moment in time) for the council to claw back the promised £2m from Cas.

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:55 pm  

Fully wrote:

No, I know this because the entire BoD were at the meeting at the Civic Centre where SF said he hadn't looked at it and it wasn't an option as far as he was concerned.

Well i would have thought any forward thinking open minded board would have looked at ALL options, even if only to discount them.

Still if thats that they have told you it'll be the truth.

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:57 pm  

if GH is dead and a re-furb of the jungle not affordable, then it would be in the best interest of both clubs to make sure at least one ground gets constructed, we all know agreements and promises have been made, but we also know how easy it is for promises to be broken, neither club as anything except a peace of paper, hopefully no hiccups will accrue, the fans can debate it until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day we dont have a say in the matters except as a fan, we need two strong SL clubs, so we can keep all the young talent from are area, instead of the big clubs making them think that their grass is greener, in my eyes RW left Cas fans with a bad taste in their mouth under his tenancy, but SF seems to be totally different, if you ask him a question he gives you a answer, RW, always went round the gardens to take you up the garden path

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:09 pm  

bigalf wrote:

No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.

Explain further? Also would this be anything out of the ordinary?

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:14 pm  

poppys mum wrote:

The 2 milan clubs share a stadium in milan.
Put cas at NM and you are taking rugby league out of castleford.
Is that what we want.

In theory were taking rugby out of the City. Is it not in your means as a club to compromise? Ideally we would have wanted a ground near the City but it's just not viable.....sometimes you have to give a bit.

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:30 pm  

bigalf wrote:

No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.

Who knows? it may happen in a few months time or whenever.

There should be no reason (at this moment in time) for the council to claw back the promised £2m from Cas.

The stadium element may have had investment but it's still fundamentally tied to the rest of the development via the 106. One element (stadium/development) cannot exist without the other & as soon as the stadium is constructed it will be passed into the control of the community trust. This was all trashed out in the PI & following months & is documented & signed off in the 106. By gov, council, developer & bank of Scotland.

So other than investment into the scheme, which isn't anything other than a positive, this is of little relevance to the community trust, WTW & any other tenants. When the stadium is going to be transferred once constructed it makes little difference who paid for it, this is between Yorkcourt & their investors. As we all know the stadium is just a sweetener to the local community.

If you think Yorkcourt have done all this to mothball it your deluded. They will cross fund the development, which is what you describe (sell off the lions % in the stadium in exchange for a profit share in the total), but this shows how developments like this are funded.

One element can't be built without the other. You know all this Alf, you practically sleep with transcripts of the PI & a copy of the 106. Merry new year old pal

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:37 pm  

deeHell wrote:

Explain further? Also would this be anything out of the ordinary?

Yorkcourt have sold 66% of the stadium element to a entertainment company based in the Midlands.
Cross funding happens all the time & is how companies raise the capital for large scale developments. The Shipley Brothers will now become partners in the development.

For their investment in providing the stadium element they will take a share in the profits from the total development.

As I said in the post above, it makes not difference for us, other than showing us how quickly YC have begun in finding the funds to build the stadium, the quicker they do that (along with partners buying elements/plots of the industrial development)the quicker the whole thing gets built & YC get paid.

This is how developments are funded, why did this never happen at J32? Because that never got out of the hanger, let alone off the runway.

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:45 pm  

Fully wrote:

Because the rent is likely going to be more expense than owning our own stadium? As you said in the post above, the owners will have to make money some how to pay the bills and also any upkeep too. Therefore, the money they get in from rent also has to be worthwhile.

I've no idea how much we spend on maintenance of WR per season but I'd hazard a guess that it isn't as much as it would be in paying rent?

you've lost me there feller, shouldn't all businesses be looking to make a profit or is it wise to over spend like Cas has done last season.

so would your ideals be to keep putting a lick of paint on the railings and point up the terrace

Re: Would the club go to a community Stadium : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:33 pm  

snowie wrote:

:EH: you've lost me there feller, shouldn't all businesses be looking to make a profit or is it wise to over spend like Cas has done last season.

so would your ideals be to keep putting a lick of paint on the railings and point up the terrace

Someone from the Wakey forum stated the other week that the Community Trust will only ever seek to break even. My point was that they will be seeking to make a profit/increase money because all monies will have to be reinvested in for upkeep and for any unexpected bills.