Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:25 am  

pyeman wrote:

I cant believe some wigan fans still dont believe they cheated in 06, have you accepted the earth is not flat yet?

It's madness isn't it.

Effectively, Saints could ask each of their players to defer 10% of their salary until the following year and do it every year, which would give them that extra money to spend on a player every year.

Provided all your new players defer the same amount too, it never catches up with you and you're perpetually over the cap by 10%. But that is fine apparently.

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:41 am  

Weren't Wigan something like £222k over the limit that year ?

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:02 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Answer me this one then. How come in 2009 Cas were deferring players players wages when in 2006 Cas led the charge against Wigan for deferring wages which as a result of the investigation was then ruled to be "against the spirit of the cap" and so against the rules?

From what I can see it's because Cas deferred the payment of the wages, Wigan wanted to defer when the wages were actually accrued. It's like the difference between not being able to afford your tax bill and negotiating a repayment plan, or fiddling your tax returns.

[DaveO]

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:23 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

From what I can see it's because Cas deferred the payment of the wages, Wigan wanted to defer when the wages were actually accrued. It's like the difference between not being able to afford your tax bill and negotiating a repayment plan, or fiddling your tax returns.

Wigan didn't pay out more than the salary cap allowed in 2006 because they deferred wages. As a result they were able to sign players and still remain within the cap so ended up with a stronger squad. By deferring wages in 2009 Cas got to keep certain players in their squad who they obviously could not afford due to other financial problems. So deferring wages was a mechanism to have a stronger squad. In both cases neither club broke the salary cap. The differences in practicalities are moot since both are manipulations to effectively bolster squad strength.

(Whoever posted Wigan were at a cap level of £2.25m is getting mixed up about the time when the flat rate cap first came in at £1.8m (in 2004 I think). Wigan had existing contracts that meant the season after, that was going to be the wage bill).

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:45 pm  

Wigan cheated what? When the rugby league nearly went bust in 1995 before the superleague deal was signed up, who borrowed the rugby league £4m ? Wigan... because it was all repaid and brushed under the carpet wigan never got the recognition it deserved for that, in the process wigan nearly went bust. Think before you speak

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:49 pm  

Any moderators care to share why my thread regarding mcgoldrick joining hull FC has been locked?

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:10 pm  

The heart of Cas wrote:

Any moderators care to share why my thread regarding mcgoldrick joining hull FC has been locked?

I'd guess because there's already a thread on the subject.

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:21 pm  

Not regarding him joining hull there isnt

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:43 pm  

The heart of Cas wrote:

Not regarding him joining hull there isnt

Yes there is, it's discussed in here from page 1!

Re: Mcgoldrick leaves cas. : Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:47 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Wigan didn't pay out more than the salary cap allowed in 2006 because they deferred wages.

So the penalty you got for doing that was wrong then. I don't remember the appeal.