Re: referee v leeds : Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:55 pm  

Fully wrote:

Given St Helens have won 1 Super League Champions (SL1) and 4 Grand Finals (5 runners up, 1 Stones Premiership runners-up), 7 Challenge Cups (1 runners up), 2 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps) whereas Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals (2 runners up) and 1 Challenge Cup (5 runners up) and 3 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps), I'd say that Saints are the most successful side in the 'salary cap era'.


Saints have won 14 major trophies/titles since 1996 whereas Leeds have won 9. Saints have been runners-up 9 times, Leeds 9 times.

14 beats 9, 9 is a draw against 9 and 23 beats 18. Game, set, match St Helens.

Can you now spend three hours homework calculating your own sides successes since 1996? Shouldn't take you that long with 6 fingers.

Re: referee v leeds : Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:03 pm  

Or maybe it's the staunch arrogance that follows with success?

Re: referee v leeds : Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:04 pm  

ant1 wrote:

Can you now spend three hours homework calculating your own sides successes since 1996? Shouldn't take you that long with 6 fingers.

Ho, ho. How long did it take you to come up with that one? Obviously you can't dispute it so resort to petty retorts and insults. Diddums.

Re: referee v leeds : Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:30 pm  

jarvis12345 wrote:

If Leeds were rubbish people wouldnt 'hate' us as much as they say they do!

Not so - in an attempt to better fit in, we spent the 1980s and 1990s being rubbish but still we were loathed

Re: referee v leeds : Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:50 pm  

dont just shoot the ref but that touch judge

Re: referee v leeds : Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:04 am  

If I may be so bold as to bring this back to talking about the refereeing.

Casting my memory back to 2011, we had a cracking game against Leeds at Cas. Unfortunately, the key talking point after the game were contentious refereeing decisions against Cas that changed the shape of the game. At the time, neutrals such as the commentators suggested that the referee had got it wrong!

Friday's game was a case of 'de ja vu' in terms of the neutral commentators again saying that the referee got it wrong! and yes it happened to favour Leeds again!

Only the most staunch of Cas fans would try to suggest that we would have 'definitely' won either game and that is certainly not what anyone is saying here. However when neutrals such as the commentators refer to certain contentious refereeing decisions as 'game breakers', question are always going to be asked! Even more so when the same team appears to be benefiting from these time and time again.

Re: referee v leeds : Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:18 am  

the_grobs wrote:

If I may be so bold as to bring this back to talking about the refereeing.

Casting my memory back to 2011, we had a cracking game against Leeds at Cas. Unfortunately, the key talking point after the game were contentious refereeing decisions against Cas that changed the shape of the game. At the time, neutrals such as the commentators suggested that the referee had got it wrong!

Friday's game was a case of 'de ja vu' in terms of the neutral commentators again saying that the referee got it wrong! and yes it happened to favour Leeds again!

Only the most staunch of Cas fans would try to suggest that we would have 'definitely' won either game and that is certainly not what anyone is saying here. However when neutrals such as the commentators refer to certain contentious refereeing decisions as 'game breakers', question are always going to be asked! Even more so when the same team appears to be benefiting from these time and time again.

What a load of rubbish!

Re: referee v leeds : Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:55 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

What a load of rubbish!

sgtwilko - I made my statement based on fact.....in that in both cases it was a key talking point about the game by the commentators both last year and this year.

You seem to have things backwards!! In your eyes anything that is a known and proven fact is a load of rubbish, yet anything that is a load of rubbish is in your eyes a fact!! Do you use the same logic for forward passes, and offsides, double movements perhaps at Leeds??

If you have a point that you can intelligently back up with discussion then make it, otherwise bye bye...back to your own forum you go !

Re: referee v leeds : Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:45 am  

the_grobs wrote:

sgtwilko - I made my statement based on fact.....in that in both cases it was a key talking point about the game by the commentators both last year and this year.

You seem to have things backwards!! In your eyes anything that is a known and proven fact is a load of rubbish, yet anything that is a load of rubbish is in your eyes a fact!! Do you use the same logic for forward passes, and offsides, double movements perhaps at Leeds??

If you have a point that you can intelligently back up with discussion then make it, otherwise bye bye...back to your own forum you go !

Since when did those idiots at sky become judge & jury on what right and wrong?

Sky and the Beeb come out with crap on every broadcast! Just look round SL fans forums, people of all teams are up in arms weekly. Every game has contentious calls! And guess what? Nearly all fans think the refs get it wrong. Funny enough more do when their team gets beat.

Re: referee v leeds : Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:30 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

Since when did those idiots at sky become judge & jury on what right and wrong?

Sky and the Beeb come out with crap on every broadcast! Just look round SL fans forums, people of all teams are up in arms weekly. Every game has contentious calls! And guess what? Nearly all fans think the refs get it wrong. Funny enough more do when their team gets beat.

If you know and understand the laws of the game it's not that difficult to see where they have been incorrectly enforced, regardless of which team you support and regardless of the result. Indeed refereeing is not simply about knowing the Laws of the Game, it's also about managing the players and using common sense. I can nominate numerous occasions on which we've benefitted from incorrect calls, but unfortunately can name many more where they've gone against us, more often than not in the last couple of years with the afforementioned Mr Child in charge. Coincidence?