Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:18 pm  

mdean wrote:

More than an utterance of caution is required here - I have seen it hundreds of times before with sports.

This is little more than badge kissing and in the cold light of day won't make a blind bit of difference come signature time; I am not having a pop at Gaz Ellis in any way, but he is a comodity and his interest (rightly so) is mercenary in a short career to look after his family for his post playing career, so this is little more than he and his agent creating a demand and inviting other clubs as well to "break the pull of his heart strings to Cas" and make him re-think his boyhood dreams - the best way to rethink my dreams is £00's on a cheque.

So, in the interests of balance if Gaz Ellis wanted to come to Cas above all other things, he instructs his agent to contact our club quietly without discussing it, gets our best offer and negotiates. At that stage if that is not what he was hoping, then he can contact choices 2 and 3 for balance, there is no need for this come and get me facade other than to pretend no fuss is wanted, when in fact a fuss is the objective.

I can't believe people are as naive as to simply read the words at face value and tell Richie W the prize is there for the taking. Master stroke from Ellis and his people either way now. There is not a Coach, Chairman or anyone connected with any club side in the world would not talk to Gaz Ellis in either code if he wanted to chat about a contract.

Dont believe the way things look at first glance people, it's sport business not a mills and boon. I always say I would give anything for a pro-SL contract at Cas, but when it comes down to it a £20k per year pay as you play contract would soon take the edge of my love and devotion and see me back at my day job!

Common sense, as usual; whilst ever there are clubs with bottomless wallets and the ability to circumnavigate the salary cap, a commodity with as much value as Ellis will go with the money. This flirtation with the media is nothing more than his agent's marketing campaign and it's a simple but very effective strategy - he'll now be fielding contacts from every SL club and will, I'm sure, go with the best offer, after whittling them down and playing one off against the other for a while to get the best deal.

I'm not condemning Ellis by the way - he has a short career and a family to consider.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:22 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Common sense, as usual; whilst ever there are clubs with bottomless wallets and the ability to circumnavigate the salary cap, a commodity with as much value as Ellis will go with the money. This flirtation with the media is nothing more than his agent's marketing campaign and it's a simple but very effective strategy - he'll now be fielding contacts from every SL club and will, I'm sure, go with the best offer, after whittling them down and playing one off against the other for a while to get the best deal.

I'm not condemning Ellis by the way - he has a short career and a family to consider.

Bren - totally agree with your assessment, but I am more concerned that some of the black and amber loyalists seem to think that it is Richard Wright's signature to lose and believe this media show - while some criticism is valid, if this plays out as we all expect, it wont be valid in this instance.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:46 pm  

mdean wrote:

Bren - totally agree with your assessment, but I am more concerned that some of the black and amber loyalists seem to think that it is Richard Wright's signature to lose and believe this media show - while some criticism is valid, if this plays out as we all expect, it wont be valid in this instance.

I don't doubt it although in fairness, Gareth's own interview from May last year stating he'd like to end his career at Cas won't have helped the situation in terms of managing people's expectations.

If it helps, Richard Agar has also said publicly today that WTW would put themselves into the mix for the Ellis signature; as, I'm sure, will every SL club in England.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:56 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

Another major jizz-fest happening on the Wakey board I see. And from a club who always pay their bills.

That's not true and a bit of an over-reaction; the majority of the posts on that thread are positive about Cas.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:21 pm  

if it was just about the money surely he could have made more by just staying in oz?

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:13 pm  

mdean wrote:

Bren - totally agree with your assessment, but I am more concerned that some of the black and amber loyalists seem to think that it is Richard Wright's signature to lose and believe this media show - while some criticism is valid, if this plays out as we all expect, it wont be valid in this instance.

As I said before, it wont take a bank breaking offer to get Gareth to Cas and as we all know money is not the key factor in his move back to SL. I'm in no way influenced by any of the media hype and to be honest I haven't read more than 2 lines of any paper report surrounding his return anyway. He won't go to the club that offers him the most money, he will go to the club that makes him the right offer to fulfill the wishes of himself and his family. This is why I think it is Richard Wrights signature to lose, don't get me wrong, it needs to be a good financial offer but should be well within the finances available to us for 2013 and beyond.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:36 pm  

pyeman wrote:

You forgot davies, also I cant see us not retaining at least one of snitch, Mitchell and jones.

I kept Mitchell - he's on the bench.

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:44 pm  

mdean wrote:

Bren - totally agree with your assessment, but I am more concerned that some of the black and amber loyalists seem to think that it is Richard Wright's signature to lose and believe this media show - while some criticism is valid, if this plays out as we all expect, it wont be valid in this instance.

No one is questioning that money will play a part in the grand scheme of things and that he has a family to look after. However, Cas can offer him a financially secure deal over a good period (three years) that will be enough to put food on his table and enough in the bank for him (£100k p/yr)

Additionally, I'm also pretty sure that someone of Gareth Ellis's ilk will have a coaching position with his name on it. He's the sort of role model you need around the place and he has that community champion spirit (with his links from Lock Lane).

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:25 am  

Cab Crab wrote:

OUT OF ALL THE SL CLUBS, I DOUBT CAS ARE TOP OF THE LIST OF THOSE HE WOULD JOIN, EVEN IF YOU OFFERED HIM THE BEST DEAL FINANCIALLY

Stop shouting!

Re: Gareth Ellis coming home : Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:59 am  

Still think there is a lot of naive guess work and taking Ellis and his agent at their word with no realy consideration of the facts. I am not calling either of them liars, but they have a job to do.

I'd love the romantic notions to be right and maybe I shouldn't be so cynical as to judge everyone by my rather mercinary standards but now we are evolving the theory to include a figure of salary he is likely to accept and a job off the field too. I think people are getting way ahead of themselves.