Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:02 pm  

It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.

For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:05 pm  

Bonzo wrote:

It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.

For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?

Wasnt that Karl Harrison, Bonz

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:27 pm  

Speedy wrote:

Wasnt that Karl Harrison, Bonz

I believe it was.

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:01 pm  

Bonzo wrote:

It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.

For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?

Think that we are expecting to unearth another Westy/Owen, the instances when we have a ready made star from the academy are seldom seen and we may have been spoilt a little with the aforementioned two. If a player takes longer to graduate through the academy but ultimately becomes as good as these two, then a little patience is required. It can be frustrating when you see other clubs promoting from their academy (whether this is down to better coaching or a simple luck of the draw is debatable).

Personally, I think our problem is a lack of cash, most of which is presumably being pumped into securing the financing of the new stadium and in turn this is, again presumably, leaving us not being able to offer some of the younger players the wages they are demanding.

It's not a black and white issue and unless you are privy to contract negotiations and being a member of the squad, all the hearsay/gossip/chinese whispers are just that.

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:14 pm  

ParanoidAndroid wrote:

Think that we are expecting to unearth another Westy/Owen, the instances when we have a ready made star from the academy are seldom seen and we may have been spoilt a little with the aforementioned two. If a player takes longer to graduate through the academy but ultimately becomes as good as these two, then a little patience is required. It can be frustrating when you see other clubs promoting from their academy (whether this is down to better coaching or a simple luck of the draw is debatable).

Personally, I think our problem is a lack of cash, most of which is presumably being pumped into securing the financing of the new stadium and in turn this is, again presumably, leaving us not being able to offer some of the younger players the wages they are demanding.

It's not a black and white issue and unless you are privy to contract negotiations and being a member of the squad, all the hearsay/gossip/chinese whispers are just that.

Whilst I agree with all of that, I can't understand why there should be finance issues with regards to signing young players. Presumably they're not going to be on big contracts, nor do they need to be. As you say, we're not privy to contract negotiations and such, but as far as the cap goes one would assume that it makes more financial sense to blood 2 or 3 young players instead of signing an experienced player on a high wage, should the finances be available.

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:18 pm  

ParanoidAndroid wrote:

Others may have gone because they were offered more money, felt their careers lie elsewhere, they weren't developing quickly enough etc. Loyalty to your hometown club is a rare commodity these days, money talks and I would much rather have a stable financial footing than be held to ransom by some POTENTIAL 'star' in the making.

OK, so there we have a reason for not paying young players (whom we have already invested in) to stay with us. A stable financial footing. Is this the case? We have no idea!

All most of the fans are asking on here is why our youngsters are going elsewhere, and at the same time we are loaning equivalent players from clubs like the Goons and Wire. The fans should be told why the club is doing this-not too much to ask surely

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:24 pm  

Bonzo wrote:

It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.

For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?

My thought entirely
I posted this on the casforum web site

Having followed the club since the sixties this latest 'signing' (sic) really, really takes the biscuit.

The development team and all the hangers-on (won't mention names) should hand their heads in shame.

This district is rich in rugby talent which begs the question why oh why aren't we now unearthing the next generation of Shentons, Westermans etc, stagnate, sit our your laurels, pat yourself on the back for unearthing JW RO, and we die.

The loaning of other teams 'surplus' players because we do not apparently have any suitable players is wake up call to these so-called development teams.
I did not agree with the abandoning of U18 and U21 as it gives a gradual foretaste for kids the demands of SL, as mentioned here some of the U20's are not ready for SL, but it begs the question DO we have suitable potential comming through the system .......in view of TM's latest master stroke apparently not.

Why have potentially good young kids left the club, not been identified or dropped out of the game, some names of CAS youngsters who are plying their trade at other clubs and have been spurned by the club, ie. Kyle Wood, Larne Patrick, Tom Burton etc,etc all these were EXCEPTIONALLY good youngsters who for one reason or another did not sign pro forms for us.
Why, ask the development team......false promises, favouritism of certain idividuals, cannot see the Wood (sorry) for the trees and so on ( D Wood was dead keen to sign KW, and said so at player presentation evening at Lock Lane).

The Ryan Boyle saga is an absolute classic, I know we should move on, but in view of the recent events it was on the cards that this decision of TM/Who ever/RW was always going to bite us on the 'arris.

It's easy to bag people when things are not working to plan but with a coach reluctant, in most cases, give or identify potential players, the Gledhill saga is another that springs to mind, it is no wonder that the loyal supporters are questioning the sanity of ther powers that be at WR

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:44 pm  

The thing that riles me is the amount of players playing out of position

McGoldrick on Sunday played Full back, but filled in at hooker, half back and loose forward!!

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:47 pm  

casman2 wrote:

The thing that riles me is the amount of players playing out of position

McGoldrick on Sunday played Full back, but filled in at hooker, half back and loose forward!!

Don't even get me started on that...

Re: Second Wigan loanee : Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:28 pm  

we need a half back on loan? to cover sherwin or help him whos available?
or we go to the championship-

danny jones at the cougers aint bad