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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:11 am  
deeHell wrote:
For me the video evidence was inconclusive.


Which is exactly why the outcome should be NFA - Video inconclusive.

But this is the RFL.
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:33 am  
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In fairness though, Nick Fozzard has also been all over Twitter, trying to defend Chase - that could be perceived as trying to influence the disciplinary outcome in exactly the way that is being condemned on here.

Fozz is on twitter IN RESPONSE to what are clearly erroneous claims made by some members of the Leeds set-up. I think there's a big difference there... they've initially talked bull**** to try to damn a player and Fozz has said "Er, hang on a minute!".

I see no comparison between the two - At best Fozz is only trying to influence the outcome back towards some modicum of impartiality after the media have already stung Rangi up on the strength of McDermotts and Hardaker's lies.
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:23 am  
Disco wrote:
Thank you Sky Sports and TIVO slow frame advance... thanks to you two I now know for a fact that...

a) Despite what Leeds say, Rangi had two feet firmly on the ground at the point contact was made.
b) Despite what Leeds say, Hardaker was not at any point unconscious (unless he can move, rub his head, get up and walk off while being unconscious).
c) Despite what Leeds say, both of Rangi's arms were down through the contact. The right arm came up after the impact, not before.
d) Hardaker's tweet following the game (his elbow hit my chin) cannot possibly be right. At best it's mistaken, at worst vindictive.


Sounds pretty accurate to me. Also consider the perfect position the referee was in to judge the impact, which was far better than that provided by the camera angle.

In relation to point d, if in fact Chase's elbow did hit Hardaker's chin, I'm not sure if he'd know that, had he actually been knocked out. Chase's elbows must be in an unusual place on his body too...
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:28 am  
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Fozz is on twitter IN RESPONSE to what are clearly erroneous claims made by some members of the Leeds set-up. I think there's a big difference there... they've initially talked bull**** to try to damn a player and Fozz has said "Er, hang on a minute!".

I see no comparison between the two - At best Fozz is only trying to influence the outcome back towards some modicum of impartiality after the media have already stung Rangi up on the strength of McDermotts and Hardaker's lies.


What is for certain, as this thread amply demonstrates, is that throughout the season, fans of a club will vociferously defend their own player for a challenge that, if it was inflicted on said player by someone from another team, would see them take to the streets with pitchforks.

If you get some perspective on the situation, you'll realise that Chase is being called in to answer questions about a challenge that resulted in injury, using the same rules that apply to every other player; he hasn't been found guilty yet and despite the ridiculous anti-Cas conspiracy theories, or Gronk QC whipping up wrongheaded hysteria about prejudicial hearings, it's a reasonably robust system for handling disciplinary matters.

As for the jeering at Hardaker for being soft, that just shows a lack of class.
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:40 am  
Zak iis not soft by any means and it would be a foolish and a wee bit cowardly to imply that on a forum.

Would say more about you than him.
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:41 am  
Did it result in injury B2K ?
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:41 am  
Disco wrote:
Thank you Sky Sports and TIVO slow frame advance... thanks to you two I now know for a fact that...

a) Despite what Leeds say, Rangi had two feet firmly on the ground at the point contact was made.
b) Despite what Leeds say, Hardaker was not at any point unconscious (unless he can move, rub his head, get up and walk off while being unconscious).
c) Despite what Leeds say, both of Rangi's arms were down through the contact. The right arm came up after the impact, not before.
d) Hardaker's tweet following the game (his elbow hit my chin) cannot possibly be right. At best it's mistaken, at worst vindictive.


What did "Leeds" actually say?
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:48 am  
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What did "Leeds" actually say?


Hardaker has now changed is mind. It wasn't an elbow according to his tweet. :o
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:53 am  
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Did it result in injury B2K ?


Yes, legal or not Hardaker was unable to play the rest of the game
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Re: Rangi Charged : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:56 am  
Tigerade wrote:
Hardaker has now changed is mind. It wasn't an elbow according to his tweet. :o


I agree Hardakers tweet was foolish, I've also read that McDermott wanted another look at it.

I wasn't at the press conference and just wanted to know what Leeds had claimed regarding the other things Disco mentioned?
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