Re: Con Mika : Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:06 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

Look I'm not having a go at anyone here but don't you think that if you have an issue it is with the RFL ? If they are going to let players represent England after 2 years 9 months then they can hardly object to the same players being in Super League.

Think the reason Hull KR are getting it in the neck here about an abundance of overseas players is purely and simply cos you signed an overseas player that we were hoping to get.

ATEOD as Cas fans we shouldn't give a tuppeny fig about how many overseas players other clubs have in their squads unless they're a boat load of NRL star players which clearly Hull KR aren't.

Re: Con Mika : Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:02 pm  

Cecil B wrote:

Think the reason Hull KR are getting it in the neck here about an abundance of overseas players is purely and simply cos you signed an overseas player that we were hoping to get.

ATEOD as Cas fans we shouldn't give a tuppeny fig about how many overseas players other clubs have in their squads unless they're a boat load of NRL star players which clearly Hull KR aren't.

The fact they're not NRL stars makes it doubly worse, mate. They are taking up spots that English players could be doing.

Re: Con Mika : Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:32 pm  

Fully wrote:

The fact they're not NRL stars makes it doubly worse, mate. They are taking up spots that English players could be doing.

Agreed and if it was happening at Cas I would be complaining but all we can do is get our house in order and leave other clubs to worry about their own.

Cas embraced the idea that 3 year franchises mean you don't need to look for short term solutions in the form of mediocre overseas players. It seems Hull KR aren't prepared to let go of that safety blanket just yet...

Re: Con Mika : Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:20 pm  

Fully wrote:

The fact they're not NRL stars makes it doubly worse, mate. They are taking up spots that English players could be doing.

What's your opinion on Rangi,or any other overseas player playing for England?

Re: Con Mika : Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:36 pm  

Red & White wrote:

What's your opinion on Rangi,or any other overseas player playing for England?

2 conditions for me:
Are they good enough
Do the qualify

Rangi Chase is both better than anything else England can put out at halfback and also qualifies, so that is completely fine for me, if it was someone like Nick Youngquest for example I wouldn't be so happy.

Re: Con Mika : Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:16 am  

Red & White wrote:

What's your opinion on Rangi,or any other overseas player playing for England?

I'm fine with it. He's proven that he's one of the best players in the competition and he's better than the halves currently available for England. In that instance, you're adding quality to the player pool. Plus, I agree with Steve Mc that he's not blocking the path of youngsters. He's adding to the pool, driving up standards and improving THEIR game at the same time.

Re: Con Mika : Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:21 am  

Fully wrote:

I'm fine with it. He's proven that he's one of the best players in the competition and he's better than the halves currently available for England. In that instance, you're adding quality to the player pool. Plus, I agree with Steve Mc that he's not blocking the path of youngsters. He's adding to the pool, driving up standards and improving THEIR game at the same time.

Your missing some fundamental points though :

(1) He ain't English (this residency rule is the biggest load of crap used by countries who aren't strong enough in their own player development and by players who can't get into their own national teams).

(2) Chase would not have made this move had it not been for his assault charge. Playing for England no doubt removes any issues surrounding him needing a new work visa, which he may have struggled with getting.

(3) If Chase did not play for Cas, I would wager some views may be different.

(4) I am suprised anyone can agree with anything McNamara says, the guys an absolute clown when it comes to RL coaching. Look at the squad he has picked. No Myler or Brough for the H/B options. No Atkins either (if my memory serves me correctly), a strong centre who has scored 20+ tries and improved his passing skills no end since he has been at Wire.

Going back to point (2), the bad news for you Cas fans is if he no longer needs a work visa, it will make it easier for him to move to another SL club in the future. The good news is having tied him to a longer term deal you will receive a significant transfer fee if it were to happen in the next few years.

Re: Con Mika : Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:50 am  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Your missing some fundamental points though :

(1) He ain't English (this residency rule is the biggest load of crap used by countries who aren't strong enough in their own player development and by players who can't get into their own national teams).

(2) Chase would not have made this move had it not been for his assault charge. Playing for England no doubt removes any issues surrounding him needing a new work visa, which he may have struggled with getting.

(3) If Chase did not play for Cas, I would wager some views may be different.

(4) I am suprised anyone can agree with anything McNamara says, the guys an absolute clown when it comes to RL coaching. Look at the squad he has picked. No Myler or Brough for the H/B options. No Atkins either (if my memory serves me correctly), a strong centre who has scored 20+ tries and improved his passing skills no end since he has been at Wire.

Going back to point (2), the bad news for you Cas fans is if he no longer needs a work visa, it will make it easier for him to move to another SL club in the future. The good news is having tied him to a longer term deal you will receive a significant transfer fee if it were to happen in the next few years.

I have very mixed feelings about chase playing for england, i personally wouldnt play players who werent born in england but since he is going to play i think i will enjoy watching him, if that makes sense.

Your second point is one that keeps getting repeated as truth by a number of wakefield fans but i have not seen any evidence to back it up.

Re: Con Mika : Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:16 am  

Gronk! wrote:

2 conditions for me:
Are they good enough
Do the qualify

Rangi Chase is both better than anything else England can put out at halfback and also qualifies,

How on earth does Chase qualify? Not English and has to be here a minimum of 5 years to qualify for british citizenship. You tell me how Chase qualifies.

Re: Con Mika : Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:07 am  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Your missing some fundamental points though :

(1) He ain't English (this residency rule is the biggest load of crap used by countries who aren't strong enough in their own player development and by players who can't get into their own national teams).

(2) Chase would not have made this move had it not been for his assault charge. Playing for England no doubt removes any issues surrounding him needing a new work visa, which he may have struggled with getting.

(3) If Chase did not play for Cas, I would wager some views may be different.

(4) I am suprised anyone can agree with anything McNamara says, the guys an absolute clown when it comes to RL coaching. Look at the squad he has picked. No Myler or Brough for the H/B options. No Atkins either (if my memory serves me correctly), a strong centre who has scored 20+ tries and improved his passing skills no end since he has been at Wire.

Going back to point (2), the bad news for you Cas fans is if he no longer needs a work visa, it will make it easier for him to move to another SL club in the future. The good news is having tied him to a longer term deal you will receive a significant transfer fee if it were to happen in the next few years.

1) We're not the only country or sport to use it. Even if it wasn't allowed in rugby league, he'd still be able to obtain a British passport after five years and would still be eligible for England selection then, like ANYONE coming to the UK.

2) Evidence/proof please? That's something said as gospel (again) by Wakey fans without no evidence to back it up.

3) If Chase played for Wakey, I'd expect YOUR views would be different too. As it is, I'm wholly supportive of the idea whether it be Chase, Reed, Heighington or Cherry-Evans. Nothing wrong with strength in depth.

4) I'm pretty sure I read (and was mentioned by someone on RLFans) that Atkins asked not to be selected. Otherwise, I'd believe he'd be involved in the Knights squad. Myler is a supportive scrum-half and even I wouldn't have picked him. Brough has been off-form and whilst I would have included him for his kicking game alone, at least Steve Mc is picking people in form rather than who they are or who they play for.

With regard to the last point, I'm pretty sure that Rangi is fully committed to Cas. He could have seen out his current contract at Cas and still played for Eng this season. So, I'm afraid you're probably just convincing yourselves that point 2 is true without any substantive evidence again.