Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 12:39 pm  

dboy wrote:

Surely this will make it even harder!

But there's no guarantee that it will be a supermarket built down at the ground. It's a FOOD-STORE. It could be a wholesalers like Costco.

Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 2:14 pm  

In which case you won't get supermarket price for the land surely?

Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 2:37 pm  

Fully wrote:

Morrisons is opening next to the Bus Station.

To replace an existing supermarket, in a relatively small building for one of their stores too. It still won't meet the demand for the town. Look at Selby - 1/3 the population of Cas, and three times the number of major supermarkets.

Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 5:22 pm  

wakeyrule wrote:

In which case you won't get supermarket price for the land surely?

But who has said that it will be a supermarket?

I prefer to wait and see what happens than just assuming.

Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 6:08 pm  

wakeyrule wrote:

In which case you won't get supermarket price for the land surely?

Clinging onto every last drop of hope that it wont happen, truely sad

Re: Ground work : Mon May 09, 2011 9:30 pm  

binks wrote:

Clinging onto every last drop of hope that it wont happen, truely sad

Whats truely sad is that numnutts like you just can't respond to debate in a grown-up manner. I have no beef against Cas, I've said before that I like visiting WR and will be sad to see part of our regions RL heritage disappear but that I hope your new stadium gets built.
My observation, in response to Fullys remarks, was based on the fact that supermarkets are essentially hyper-efficient cash extractors and their owners are prepared to pay top dollar for premium sites. I don't know enough about the area to comment on whether this would class as such a site, but if it is then I would expect a fight for it, as market share is king to these businesses - that would be brilliant for Cas. If, however, companies such as Macro or Costco are looking at the site then that would imply that Tesco et al are not interested - Costco cannot match their spending power, and so would only be interested if the site was 'cheap' - not quite so brilliant, but hopefully good enough.

So stop trying to project your insecurities onto me - whether you get your stadium or not has no effect on Trinity, we live or die by our own actions and the RFL's blinkered view of who should be in SL.

Anway, good luck with the stadium and see you in a fortnight. May the best team win - again

Re: Ground work : Tue May 10, 2011 7:29 am  

dboy wrote:

And Bonzo, it's not just Asda that will object - the town centre shops will object, as will residents (who wants the equivalent of match day traffic on their doorstep every day? - That's what a superstore will bring), as will the Highways Dept.

Insightful stuff.
Consumer behaviour must be quite differant in your world as traditionally most supermarkets tend to have a steady flow of trade throughout the day, peaking between 12 - 1 and 5-7.
It is unusual at best for around 6000+ shoppers to turn up en masse within a half hour period, do all their shopping and then leave again, almost as one, an hour and a half later. But apart from that, a well thought out point.

Re: Ground work : Tue May 10, 2011 7:50 am  

Fearless' Headguard wrote:

Insightful stuff.
Consumer behaviour must be quite differant in your world as traditionally most supermarkets tend to have a steady flow of trade throughout the day, peaking between 12 - 1 and 5-7.
It is unusual at best for around 6000+ shoppers to turn up en masse within a half hour period, do all their shopping and then leave again, almost as one, an hour and a half later. But apart from that, a well thought out point.

Asda in Wakey is well outside the town centre, about 3 miles I think, with good access roads allowing easy access. It is probably just about the ideal location for such a store as regards minimising traffic problems, but despite this it still causes congestion and traffic problems on a weekend - and its a nightmare at bank holidays! Having said that, the supermarkets won't be interested in the site if there are access problems, as this would put customers off, and the planning department/highways are well clued up on this - the anti-supermarket lobby around the country has seen to that!

What it will probably do, being so close to the town centre, is kill off your small local businesses such as greengrocers, newsagents, butchers and your milk deliveries. They will sell anything people want to buy in a convenient 'one stop' location, it will be cheaper than a 'proper' shop and will leave a town centre full of take-aways, hairdressers and poundshops. Is that a bad thing? People choose to buy there, so its difficult to say it is, but its a bloody shame for hard working shopkeepers that have built up a business over many years!

Re: Ground work : Tue May 10, 2011 8:01 am  

wakeyrule wrote:

a town centre full of take-aways, hairdressers and poundshops.

Sadly, that pretty much sums up Cas town centre nowadays anyway. There's only really the market that has any representation of independant traders. I don't think a large food orientated supermarket on Wheldon Road is going to damage business there any more than Asda at Glasshoughton has. The main issue, as many have pointed out, is access. The roundabout at the bottom of the bridge is bad enough on normal weekends - it could be a nightmare without new access points (new bridge and road at the old Wheldale pit?).

Re: Ground work : Tue May 10, 2011 8:19 am  

Fearless' Headguard wrote:

Insightful stuff.
Consumer behaviour must be quite differant in your world as traditionally most supermarkets tend to have a steady flow of trade throughout the day, peaking between 12 - 1 and 5-7.
It is unusual at best for around 6000+ shoppers to turn up en masse within a half hour period, do all their shopping and then leave again, almost as one, an hour and a half later. But apart from that, a well thought out point.

Where do I suggest that the traffic will be constantly at match day levels???

Quite clearly I put "the equivalent of match day traffic on their doorstep every DAY".

The biggest problem you have is recognising you have a problem.

Residents want convenient shopping - they don't want a superstore and the associated traffic on theor doorstep.

Also the road infrastructure is inadequate, but hopefully you can overcome these issues.