Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:29 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

No, I won't get over it. I don't care how what other sports do, or even what the Australians do, it doesn't make it right. I don't want mercenaries representing my country.

ooooh could that be seen as racist, even more than me wanting to buy a poppy from a corner shop ????

RANGI for England

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:31 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

In sporting terms i'd like to say born here or parents born here or spent the majority of you life here (not 3 years).

Trouble is you can't be vague with these things. "Spent the majority of life" is very ambiguous, are you saying that if you are 20 you have to have lived here for 10+ years, but if you are 30 you have to have lived here 15+ years to be English?
What about when Chase has an English passport, is he English then?

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:34 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Out of interest, what do you think makes someone English?

Being born here. That may seem harsh, but where do you draw the line with the parents/grandparents/residency rules? The same applies to Chris Heighington, who has spent his whole life in Australia. And for the record, before I'm accused of being anti-Castleford, we've got a potential England prop forward in Kyle Amor. However, he's now played for Ireland which in my opinion means he should never be considered for England in the future. The same goes for Danny Brough, who clearly decided he was Scottish until England came calling. We have a club game for players to transfer between sides, the international game should be about representing your nation, not about which ever country will pick you.

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:35 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

Being born here..

Were you born in Cas? No?

Don't post on this forum any more.

Logical, fair and to your rules. Simples!

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:35 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote: Trouble is you can't be vague with these things. "Spent the majority of life" is very ambiguous, are you saying that if you are 20 you have to have lived here for 10+ years, but if you are 30 you have to have lived here 15+ years to be English? What about when Chase has an English passport, is he English then? That very fact Rangi doesn't hold a British passport surely says something? On a slightly different tangent the Kiwi's seem to think he's a Kiwi too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/no ... sfeed=true

nottinghamtiger wrote: Trouble is you can't be vague with these things. "Spent the majority of life" is very ambiguous, are you saying that if you are 20 you have to have lived here for 10+ years, but if you are 30 you have to have lived here 15+ years to be English? What about when Chase has an English passport, is he English then? That very fact Rangi doesn't hold a British passport surely says something? On a slightly different tangent the Kiwi's seem to think he's a Kiwi too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/no ... sfeed=true

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:36 pm  

Georgie Best on a Bloomer wrote:

Were you born in Cas? No?

Don't post on this forum any more.

Logical, fair and to your rules. Simples!

I'm not even going to try and reason with someone who thinks that Dean Sampson was international class

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:39 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

Being born here. That may seem harsh, but where do you draw the line with the parents/grandparents/residency rules? The same applies to Chris Heighington, who has spent his whole life in Australia. And for the record, before I'm accused of being anti-Castleford, we've got a potential England prop forward in Kyle Amor. However, he's now played for Ireland which in my opinion means he should never be considered for England in the future. The same goes for Danny Brough, who clearly decided he was Scottish until England came calling. We have a club game for players to transfer between sides, the international game should be about representing your nation, not about which ever country will pick you.

Interesting, but at least your opinion avoids confusion!
You might come up against opposition from people like me, born overseas to two English parents who were working abroad but returned to England at 4 months old, in your system I'm not English which is ridiculous. I agree though that once you have selected a nationality, you shoouldn't be able to change this (though let's remember Chase never actually played for New Zealand).

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:41 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

That very fact Rangi doesn't hold a British passport surely says something?

But what about when he does, will he be English then?

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:41 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Trouble is you can't be vague with these things. "Spent the majority of life" is very ambiguous, are you saying that if you are 20 you have to have lived here for 10+ years, but if you are 30 you have to have lived here 15+ years to be English?
What about when Chase has an English passport, is he English then?

That's where the problem is for me. The only way to be consistant is stick to the country of birth. I've not watched an international since Maurie Fa'asavalu played for England in 2007. The international game has become irrelvant to me and has no meaning what so ever. How can you relate to players who have represented more than one country or a country that they have lived in for 3 years?

Re: Well done Rangi : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:43 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

But what about when he does, will he be English then?

No, he'll be a British national but that debate should only come about when he actually has a passport.

How is he recognised in the eyes of the law (not the IRB, SL or NRL) right this moment?