Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:06 pm  

MrPhilb wrote:

Still if you want to defend their corner go for it

Yes that's right. My lack of a bloodlust must mean I wholeheartedly endorse thieving mustn't it?
ffs....

Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:17 pm  

Disco wrote:

As devastating as telling a mother her kid's dead? Losing a loved one is THE worst thing that can happen to someone, end of. That's something you NEVER get over, something that burns you long, long after you've bought some new stuff to replace something nicked. F*** me, a sense of perspective please people!

Oh whatever... Enjoy your Daily Mail.

In a sense you are right, however if someone is killed committing a criminal offence and especially such a well known and dangerous one as live cable theft, it's not hard to see the sense of justice is it?

Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:45 pm  

Disco wrote:

Death by electrocution isn't part of the British justice system, not for any crime. Certainly not for theft.

You're right. It's not part of the British justice system. My comment was that it was a just outcome for someone who was breaking the law. One less person for the system to support and "rehabilitate" had they survived. Call it harsh but I am sick of suffering and paying through the nose for those who are too bone idle to work and earn an honest days pay.

Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:51 pm  

i can't comment on the part of people not working, because im one of those people, who don't work any more, and i will never work again, but on the thieving part, i hat these people, they caused havoc in my family and if i had court them at the time, i might have now been classed as a criminal, but it turned out to be the worst year of my life & it all started with thieving bar-stewards, so for me a slap on the wrist is not good enough
unless it's done with a sharp object

Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:07 pm  

Let's hope that all you bloodthirsty, Judge Dredd types never have a child who goes off the rails and does something outside the law.

Re: Some proper scum about... : Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:27 pm  

another person who thinks stealing is only a miner offense & any body can get on the wrong side of the law, but hopefully most decent folk bring their kids up to respect other people and try to keep on the straight & narrow, their is no one who thieves for a living deserve any compassion if it happened to them they would be after blood, their nothing but scum

Re: Some proper scum about... : Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:40 am  

if you want to risk your life to steal something - you've died by your own calculated risk.
Shouldn't have done it.
Gutted for their families agreed - but the loss of one theif is far less imprtant to me than the loss of the possessions of innocent people.

Use your noggin Disco, if this kid was happy to steal cabling and risk train passengers lives - he clearly doesn't care if other people live or die. In which case, I don't care about him either.

you could argue that stealing train line cabling is attempted murder in itself

World will be a slightly better place without

Re: Some proper scum about... : Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:26 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Let's hope that all you bloodthirsty, Judge Dredd types never have a child who goes off the rails and does something outside the law.

I'd say way outside the law in the case of the article - I seriously doubt we are talking "child" and the rails were probably jumped years ago.

Re: Some proper scum about... : Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:34 pm  

Disco wrote:

As devastating as telling a mother her kid's dead? Losing a loved one is THE worst thing that can happen to someone, end of. That's something you NEVER get over, something that burns you long, long after you've bought some new stuff to replace something nicked. F*** me, a sense of perspective please people!

Oh whatever... Enjoy your Daily Mail.

Maybe if that mother had actually bothered to bring her kid up in a way that insured he wasn't a thief then perhaps she wouldn't be facing this devastation - you tend to get back what you put into kids.

I broadly agree with you in that wishing death on these individuals is extreme, but when it comes to cable theft you have to acknowledge it's gone way beyond naughty kid stuff and thus you take the risk.

As for the Daily Mail, give it a rest as that is the most tired of left wing intellectual cliche nonsense - it just echoes the opinions of a certain sector of society who are no better or worse than most others.

Re: Some proper scum about... : Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:35 pm  

Final word from me, just to clear up a couple of things:

I don't recall ever saying that stealing is a 'miner' (sic) offence. I've had stuff stolen too - stuff I cared about and which had meaning to me - so I know the impact it can have. I also know what losing loved ones feels like... there's simply no contest I'm afraid. I'd give up everything I possess to have (eg) my mum back for just one day. Anyone who thinks that's weird is either a liar or just a cold hearted b**tard. The best possession in the world doesn't come close to the value of even the lowliest human life. To know that people think otherwise is very, very disturbing and I think it should be challenged.

Which I suppose leads into the way some have tried to paint my stance as somehow condoning theft or even manslaughter (citing the risk to rail passengers as your example). To that I'd simply say, don't be so stupid! You know damn well (or should do) that it's a ridiculous conclusion to leap to.

I understand what Bren2K said and would invite anyone who doesn't to use THEIR noggins instead. Actions have their consequences and criminal acts, either by intent or chance, carry their appropriate punishments. You can argue till the cows come home about how harsh those punishments are but, in this country at least, NONE of them are death.

Sometimes a death is ironic (Darwin Awards), but overriding that is the fact that any death is tragic. However that death might have come about, it's not justice, it's not fair and it's not comeuppance, it's simply tragic. If you think otherwise then perhaps you should go find a less enlightened state to exercise your views in, like Saudi Arabia or the USA.

I've played enough of a part sending this thread off topic so that'll do me. Have fun.

PS:

vastman wrote:

As for the Daily Mail, give it a rest as that is the most tired of left wing intellectual cliche nonsense - it just DEFINES the opinions of a certain sector of society who are no better or worse than most others.

Typo corrected.