: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:24 am  

bambam wrote:

I would rather have him play than that lard booty widders but nobody seems to notice the mistakes he makes when hes not injured of course

After an uninspiring start widders has really uped his game, he tackles hard, puts some good passes in doesnt throw silly off loads and despite his size has a good turn of pace, without him i dont think we would have won the bradford game.


As for sione, i'm undecided as yet, i think his biggest fault since he got over here has been trying to impress the fans to much (i dont know why the aussies bother with this, someone always slags them off, in the last few years i have heard people on the terraces say that sherwin, chase, mcgoldrick, nutley, manu and guttenbiel all werent good enough, meaning that they were watching a differant game to me or were biased against the aussie ((and kiwi etc.)) players), try to play real flash rugby and its not coming off, but if he does what is good at running the ball in hard and making big tackles in defence he's impressive (our top meter maker i believe). If tm could convince him to just do what he does best instead of trying to win the game every play, i think most people would think he was great. And for all the people who say he cant kick or pass (and at times i've been one of them) he can, he won mom awards in the nrl playing stand off, he just cant seem to replicate that over here, why i dont know maybe its the conditions, maybe he needs more time to adjust or maybe its because some of out supporters, prefer slagging off players to supporting them. I for one think theres a great player in sione, and hope we get to see that in a cas shirt.

: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:29 am  

pyeman wrote:

After an uninspiring start widders has really uped his game, he tackles hard, puts some good passes in doesnt throw silly off loads and despite his size has a good turn of pace, without him i dont think we would have won the bradford game.


As for sione, i'm undecided as yet, i think his biggest fault since he got over here has been trying to impress the fans to much (i dont know why the aussies bother with this, someone always slags them off, in the last few years i have heard people on the terraces say that sherwin, chase, mcgoldrick, nutley, manu and guttenbiel all werent good enough, meaning that they were watching a differant game to me or were biased against the aussie ((and kiwi etc.)) players), try to play real flash rugby and its not coming off, but if he does what is good at running the ball in hard and making big tackles in defence he's impressive (our top meter maker i believe). If tm could convince him to just do what he does best instead of trying to win the game every play, i think most people would think he was great. And for all the people who say he cant kick or pass (and at times i've been one of them) he can, he won mom awards in the nrl playing stand off, he just cant seem to replicate that over here, why i dont know maybe its the conditions, maybe he needs more time to adjust or maybe its because some of out supporters, prefer slagging off players to supporting them. I for one think theres a great player in sione, and hope we get to see that in a cas shirt.

: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:36 am  

Gaslight wrote:

Faumuina, Clayton, Ferres and Higgins out at the end of the season for me.

Faumuina - Finally showed a bit of what he is capable of yesterday but there's better available next season then him, let him be another teams burden.

Clayton - Just not SL standard.

Ferres - Bombs a try at least once a game, makes a good 3-4 errors a game, greedy and doesn't give Shenton & Owen the service they deserve, ship him off to Celtic and replace him with a better back rower who's out of contract.

Higgins - Looks out of shape and makes zero impact when he's on the field, not the sort of player who should be in a team wanting to be in the top 4.

Agree about clayton, shame really you cant fault his effort and his skills are good, but he just isnt big enough to be a super league forward.

Sione-undecided, see other post.

Ferres, he is a good player and has the potential to be one of the top second rowers in the comp in a few years, i agree with you he makes to many mistakes but over time i think he will improve (he is still relativley young). Needs to get his screwed on right, but over all i'm happy we have him for 3 years.

Higgins- couldnt disagree with you more, higgins works hard in defence and makes yards in the tackle, he's a prop thats what he supposed to do, ok he does nothing flash, but we have plenty (perhaps to many) people like that in our team anyway. A solid young english prop that gets better each season, two year deal for me.

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:21 am  

pyeman wrote:

Agree about clayton, shame really you cant fault his effort and his skills are good, but he just isnt big enough to be a super league forward.

Sione-undecided, see other post.

Ferres, he is a good player and has the potential to be one of the top second rowers in the comp in a few years, i agree with you he makes to many mistakes but over time i think he will improve (he is still relativley young). Needs to get his screwed on right, but over all i'm happy we have him for 3 years.

Higgins- couldnt disagree with you more, higgins works hard in defence and makes yards in the tackle, he's a prop thats what he supposed to do, ok he does nothing flash, but we have plenty (perhaps to many) people like that in our team anyway. A solid young english prop that gets better each season, two year deal for me.

Sound post - especially with regards to Higgins (don't see how anyone can have a problem with him).

: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:39 am  

With Faumina, and Goldy for that matter, you get bags of talent -even flashes of genius -but struggle to identify a position where the impact of their imperfections will be minimised. For that reason alone the thought of what percentage of our wage-bill is heading in their direction frightens me to death.

Frankly Sione appears to be so slow/stiff at times that he might be a candidate for the world's most gifted prop...but how often would he get over the advantage line? If he has a future with us I think it must be in the second row but I wonder if that role would be sufficiently pivotal to meet his more glamourous self-image. Certainly someone needs to disaffect him (and TM) of the notion that he can function in SL effectively/regularly at stand-off; if anyone Westy should have been given that opportunity. In fact I have this feeling we wont see the best of Joe alongside Faumina so my gut instinct would be not to renew Sione's contract.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:39 am  

Was talking to Sione the other day, And he is actually getting down with all thats been said/sung about him, And getting booed when his name is read out and stuff. I hate to say this but i would give him another deal, He has shown touches - With big hits and fancy passes and i feel he could make the step, But is just taking a while to adjust --- This is completely different to Korki last year who i was one of the first on his back, As he deserved it, And now cant even hack it at hudds.

Give it till the last moment possible to let him earn the deal - but i would give him 1 year

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:12 am  

I would give Sione another 1 year deal. IMO when he settles down he will be good for us. Yes, he makes mistakes, but so do all players at times. Just wish that TM could make better use of his size and strength (and stop him kicking!!). I would like to see him replace Clayton in the second row, and then play Westy a little wider.

Why would we want to let Higgins go?? Can anybody honestly say that he doesnt give his heart to the shirt every week? Would also give Boyle another deal, but seems that TM has something against him.

Cant ever see Clayton making the grade at SL I'm affraid. I dont like saying this as he gives 110% every time he pulls the jersey on, but I dont think he is or ever will be good enough. Needs a good NL1 club.

Come on guys, lets try and give Sione some encoragement instead of booing him.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:22 am  

Dettoriman wrote:

Was talking to Sione the other day, And he is actually getting down with all thats been said/sung about him, And getting booed when his name is read out and stuff. I hate to say this but i would give him another deal, He has shown touches - With big hits and fancy passes and i feel he could make the step, But is just taking a while to adjust --- This is completely different to Korki last year who i was one of the first on his back, As he deserved it, And now cant even hack it at hudds.

Give it till the last moment possible to let him earn the deal - but i would give him 1 year

Must be awful for a player to hear his name get booed when it's read out.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:27 am  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

Must be awful for a player to hear his name get booed when it's read out.

It must be. I think that we have a good player in Sione if we can get behind him and show him some support. How is a bloke meant to give us anything when he gets nothing from the fans in return.

: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:29 am  

caslad75 wrote:

It must be. I think that we have a good player in Sione if we can get behind him and show him some support. How is a bloke meant to give us anything when he gets nothing from the fans in return.

EXACTLY!!!!

but i'm affriad without being accused of double standards this only applies if the player has talent - Tommy Harvequerkie had zip, zilch, nadda!!!