Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:24 am  

ParanoidAndroid wrote:

Why were Cas dragged into the argument in the first place when the argument was about the merits of Wakefield and Crusaders? Others on the Leeds board have noticed your pro-Wakefield stance so not really a question of my paranoia, more a question of you being a little more honest.

Are you for real, have you actual read the thread... you are looking for something that isn't there... one of the definitions of paranoia!

I was accused (by Gotcha) of being biased towards Wakey over Crusaders... and you know what, I am guilty as charged... I am also biased in favour of Cas v Crusaders as well BTW. But I have told you that already...

Cas are not mentioned by me until the 6th page of the thread and this is what I said -

So let me come back with this one, although I feel this is also a touch disingenuous as well, because I have no issues with Cas staying in SL. Cas haven't improved their crowds at all and they have remained static (although we know that both Wakefield and Cas are heading towards a 1000 up of their averages so far this... very good news for both of them!). They can provide no more evidence to the RFL, at this stage, than Wakefield that their new stadium will be built (despite how RW has done a great job of making it appear they can!). Wakefield have a better on field record over the SL era than Cas, never been relegated and have an average finishing position of 8th to Cas's 9th I think. They would appear to have slightly less potential to grow crowds in future than Wakefield, so in that case we should drop Wakefield and/or Cas then?

Before AG took over and Ted was still running the show, I can understand why Wakefield would lose out to Cas but now, things are less clear. It was always rumoured that the RFL had more of an issue with Ted that the club per-say. How big is Cas's tax bill going to be and can they afford to pay it, especially if Leeds don't overturn things and get it reduced. Both Crusaders and Wakefield don't have this issue... so how sustainable are Cas financially?

I am not having a go at Cas, just playing Devils Advocate!

This is why they should both stay... it is not as clear cut as people think IMO!

Straws, at, clutching!!!!

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:34 am  

From what I have read, I have interpreted that you have a slight bias towards Wakefield, which isn't a bad thing (much). I am not saying you are anti-Cas just that you have more of a leaning towards Wakefield. The reaction to your posts on the respective Cas and Wakey boards tells you all you need to know or is it that we (Wakey & Cas) are all misinterpreting your 'information'?

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:14 pm  

Wakey have a better onfield record in the SL era. I am laughing my head off at that comment. Yes, we've been relegated but we've also made the play-offs more times too.

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:06 pm  

Fully wrote:

Wakey have a better onfield record in the SL era. I am laughing my head off at that comment. Yes, we've been relegated but we've also made the play-offs more times too.

Comparisons are hard to do, but taking overall positions on the league into account (Numbering top of SL as No.1 and then carrying on down through the lower leagues on a continual system, so currently top of Championship 1 is No. 15 and so on, these are the comparative finishes of the 2 clubs in the Super League era...

Year Cas Wake
2010 9 11
2009 7 6 (Apologies: This should have been 5th)
2008 12 8
2007 13 8
2006 11 10
2005 14 10
2004 12 6
2003 8 11
2002 6 11
2001 8 10
2000 5 10
1999 5 11
1998 6 13
1997 10 17
1996 9 18

This leaves Cas with an average finish of 9th and Wakey with an average finish of 10.7th. (Correction: 10.6th) Cas have also spent one more year in SL than Wakey. Always helps to get your facts right before you start saying stuff, to save embarrassment!

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:53 pm  

Georgie Best on a Bloomer wrote:

Comparisons are hard to do, but taking overall positions on the league into account (Numbering top of SL as No.1 and then carrying on down through the lower leagues on a continual system, so currently top of Championship 1 is No. 15 and so on, these are the comparative finishes of the 2 clubs in the Super League era...

Year Cas Wake
2010 9 11
2009 7 6
2008 12 8
2007 13 8
2006 11 10
2005 14 10
2004 12 6
2003 8 11
2002 6 11
2001 8 10
2000 5 10
1999 5 11
1998 6 13
1997 10 17
1996 9 18

This leaves Cas with an average finish of 9th and Wakey with an average finish of 10.7th. Cas have also spent one more year in SL than Wakey. Always helps to get your facts right before you start saying stuff, to save embarrassment!

Didnt we finish 5th in 2009? You need to practice what you preach about getting the facts right

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:05 pm  

He's taken it from Castigers.net which is wrong as it only lists 26 games.

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:07 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Didnt we finish 5th in 2009? You need to practice what you preach about getting the facts right

someone do the maths with this new stat thrown in then

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:09 pm  

Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:

Bloody hell Fully, for an aspiring journalist, you can be daft sometimes.

I will say this again for the hard of understanding.... it can't be seen to be allowed to influence anyone at all on the planning committee. The petition is designed to influence people, you can use the media to bring it to light and make it public of course (so they will know via those outlets), but you can't demand WMDC to stick it front of a bunch of people who about 35% of whom serve another on a committee that it members have legal responsibilities to remain as impartial and objective as possible on! Opus and the club have publicly announced their intention to lodge a planning application on this site, the petition supports the principle of developing this land into a supermarket... of course it is planning issue you nugget!

Secondly, the area has been recommended to be re-designated in the LDF already mate, to a special development zone. That is just fine! Thirdly, you once again you show your ignorance of planning and the LDF, you can't designate land in the LDF for 'retail' is is not a category for lots of reasons I won't bore you with.

The petition has been checked with the Council I have been informed. It's fine. Get over it, simple as. I don't know planning IA; I don't work in planning and never have. I was just spitballing.

But you do certainly have an agenda loathe as much as you don't want to admit it. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to shoot it down at every opportunity.

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:10 pm  

turin wrote:

someone do the maths with this new stat thrown in then

Does sod all to it. Divide 1 by 15 and take it off. 10.6 recurring.

Re: Wheldon Road - Retail Planning Application! : Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:12 pm  

Fully wrote:

Does sod all to it. Divide 1 by 15 and take it off. 10.6 recurring.

Surely though the calculation is flawed as having been in a lower division for 2 seasons should earn some sort of penalty against your average place finish. Afterall if its about contribution to the competition you can't contribute if your not in it.