Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:13 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Where did I say that? I was merely commenting on the fact it isn't a judiciary.

It should be overturned for the simple fact it wasn't raised initially, and further more Cas should take legal action against Thomas himself for the way he is trying portray the club.

Thomas has not said anything other than what happened, he has just said it a lot. Cas has nothing to sue him for.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:17 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

it could have been chaired by the Queen and it wouldn't have mattered.

This rather indicates you consider the decision was already made before the Judge heard the case.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:22 pm  

Therailwayendisuponus. wrote:

Thomas has not said anything other than what happened, he has just said it a lot. Cas has nothing to sue him for.

But was there REALLY any need for him to say the teams name everywhere he possibly could and make it out like millions of people were ganging up on him as opposed to the facts which were 15 chavs were chanting something that wasn't audible to 99% of the people in attendance, including most importantly, the Match Commissioner, Thomas wouldn't have heard the chants at the game I'll tell you that now.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:25 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

But was there REALLY any need for him to say the teams name everywhere he possibly could and make it out like millions of people were ganging up on him as opposed to the facts which were 15 chavs were chanting something that wasn't audible to 99% of the people in attendance, including most importantly, the Match Commissioner, Thomas wouldn't have heard the chants at the game I'll tell you that now.

Personally I don't believe so, but my point is legally Cas have nothing to sue for. I was stood about the same distance from the chabters as GT, and I heard it. He was at the other end of the pitch when they were singing about holding hands, he was very near when they were singing about his sexual practices. I can assure you he did hear it. If he hadn't how would he know to complain?

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:25 pm  

Sarf Essex Taff wrote:

This rather indicates you consider the decision was already made before the Judge heard the case.

from what it says in the cas statement i would say you are bang on with that comment, i thought it was standard practice for the match commisioner to attend any hearing that was relevant to a game he had attended, but seeing as his view did not suit the RLs view he was not required to attend the hearing and it also seems that reading between the lines the RFL atempted to hold the hearing at a time when he would be unable to attend, as i have said earlier in my opinion the matter has been blown out of all proportion, i heard the chanting myself but for anyone who was not at the game and did not hear it you would not think we were talking about the same incident, especially with a 40K fine and the clubs name being dragged through the mud.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:38 pm  

tigerman10 wrote:

from what it says in the cas statement i would say you are bang on with that comment, i thought it was standard practice for the match commisioner to attend any hearing that was relevant to a game he had attended, but seeing as his view did not suit the RLs view he was not required to attend the hearing and it also seems that reading between the lines the RFL atempted to hold the hearing at a time when he would be unable to attend, as i have said earlier in my opinion the matter has been blown out of all proportion, i heard the chanting myself but for anyone who was not at the game and did not hear it you would not think we were talking about the same incident, especially with a 40K fine and the clubs name being dragged through the mud.

Err no. I was simply commenting on the fact that people are suggesting that the decision was made by the RFL (Lewis, Wood, board of directors, general bogeyman) and that a tribunal chaired by a Judge with two other individuals on it free of any club ties just go along with it without bothering with any evidence. It is nonsensical for anyone to think that a Judge would put himself in the position of just being a mouthpiece for others. Instead it is quite common practice in many sports to have quasi-judicial tribunals with members of the judiciary involved so that clubs/sportspeople are given a fair hearing.

As to how the matter arrived at the tribunal it is quite easy to find the operational rules on the RFL website.

As to Cas' statement on the appeal, good luck to them if they think they have a case (albeit my reading of their statement is that they loused up their defence)

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:49 pm  

Sarf Essex Taff wrote:

Err no. I was simply commenting on the fact that people are suggesting that the decision was made by the RFL (Lewis, Wood, board of directors, general bogeyman) and that a tribunal chaired by a Judge with two other individuals on it free of any club ties just go along with it without bothering with any evidence. It is nonsensical for anyone to think that a Judge would put himself in the position of just being a mouthpiece for others. Instead it is quite common practice in many sports to have quasi-judicial tribunals with members of the judiciary involved so that clubs/sportspeople are given a fair hearing.

As to how the matter arrived at the tribunal it is quite easy to find the operational rules on the RFL website.

As to Cas' statement on the appeal, good luck to them if they think they have a case (albeit my reading of their statement is that they loused up their defence)

how did they louse up there defence as you put it, it seems to me that reading the statment from the club the RFL have gone out of their way to take away any defence the club may of had. but hey as long as it all looks good for the RFL in media that they have taken a very stong stance against the totally homophic club that is the Castleford Tigers then its ok i suppose.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:08 pm  

tigerman10 wrote:

how did they louse up there defence as you put it, it seems to me that reading the statment from the club the RFL have gone out of their way to take away any defence the club may of had. but hey as long as it all looks good for the RFL in media that they have taken a very stong stance against the totally homophic club that is the Castleford Tigers then its ok i suppose.

It's simply the impression I got. A club statement is not fact. It is their view on proceedings and having defended the matter they are hardly likely to say they wrong to do so. If they have a case for appeal, good luck to them, but it does seem part of it is on technical grounds as to who brought the complaint. If the operational rules allow for a complaint to be brought by the RFL itself rather than the match commissioner I can't see what the point of stating that is. It won't get them anywhere, but just muddies the waters.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:45 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

How would it be ta-ta if they lose the case ?

Depends how vigorously they pursue it but Court time is expensive. Ask Bradford!

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:16 pm  

celticcrusader wrote:

There hasn't been any other chanting/slurs from any other clubs, yet

Have the crusaders played at Hull KR yet ?