I know what I think he will say and I think that the answer is at best going to be you are both in the same boat and at worst, Cas are even longer away from a ground than Wakey... so what then?
You've said planning permission will eventually be granted but it's likely to be a long waiting game for Cas, surely better late than never will be looked at more positively than possibly never at all?
If Newmarket does get passed next year, then given that these things very rarely run to clockwork, Wakey themselves shouldn't be expecting to to be playing there until at least 2014 or 2015, surely?
I know you champion the Newmarket project, but maybe Richard Wright is not the only one partial to a bit of spin.
I wouldn't bother reading this bit, there is nothing interesting, witty or insightful down here, just this collection of boring words explaining that you really are wasting your time browsing this signature in the vain and futile hope that there will be a nugget, nay, a veritable goldmine of witticisms or divine philosophy. In reality, all you're going to get is disappointment, a sense of hopelessness and a random word.
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
I wouldn't bother reading this bit, there is nothing interesting, witty or insightful down here, just this collection of boring words explaining that you really are wasting your time browsing this signature in the vain and futile hope that there will be a nugget, nay, a veritable goldmine of witticisms or divine philosophy. In reality, all you're going to get is disappointment, a sense of hopelessness and a random word.
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
You've said planning permission will eventually be granted but it's likely to be a long waiting game for Cas, surely better late than never will be looked at more positively than possibly never at all?
If Newmarket does get passed next year, then given that these things very rarely run to clockwork, Wakey themselves shouldn't be expecting to to be playing there until at least 2014 or 2015, surely?
I know you champion the Newmarket project, but maybe Richard Wright is not the only one partial to a bit of spin.
Good points and difficult to sort of argue with them. I think Opus, like Yorkcourt (and other big developers) speculate of course, but they all do so by weighing up the odds and they are not averse to them being quite tights odds if the return is worth the investment. I always apply the 80/20 rule here, and I always say that 80% of the time developers win, but still 20% of the time they have to throw in the towel, normally after spending quite a bit of cash... but that is the game they are in.
I personally think that planning for a supermarket on WR will happen but you assume, maybe like I did somewhat with Newmarket, that it definitely will... it might be in the 20%! We have not seen the plans yet... now I know what the proposal is and even how big the supermarket is (it is not little!) but seeing the actual plan will tell me more.
You are right, in 12 months Newmarket gets a yes or a no, everyone thinks that 80/20 rules applies here as well, and it has an 80% chance of a yes, it could be no... but Cas's time frame is currently open-ended and it could equally be a no at some point in the future!
In direct answer to your question "surely better late than never will be looked at more positively than possibly never at all?" WR could also be possibly never at all as well, just like NM! I really, really don't think it will be BTW, but getting to any position for it to be granted will take time.
If Newmarket get the nod in the first half of 2012 (it should be first quarter BTW) then Wakefield should be playing at Newmarket from 2014. GH is in exactly the same position, planning on WR is needed by this time next year to get Cas in GH by 2014. If WR got planning before Christmas this year then you could hit 2013... but it is a huge IF!!!
Just as real example, lets look at Newmarket, from when the plans were first made publicly available in September 2009 it took another 6 months to get the application in and then13 months for it to go in front of the planning committee in October 2012! I personally think WR is at least 12 months from getting an outing at a planning committee meeting, so this time next year is my guess. I think they will release plans in August but it won't end up as a formal application until late this year, despite what they are saying!
I wouldn't bother reading this bit, there is nothing interesting, witty or insightful down here, just this collection of boring words explaining that you really are wasting your time browsing this signature in the vain and futile hope that there will be a nugget, nay, a veritable goldmine of witticisms or divine philosophy. In reality, all you're going to get is disappointment, a sense of hopelessness and a random word.
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
Have done already, there were some interesting posts on the Leeds board regarding the merits of Wakefield and Cas in SL.
I remember losing my rag about the conduct of some Cas posters about Newmarket, posting something on the Leeds board and then apologising for being an idiot and letting my emotions get the better of me. I haven't posted anything about the subject since then.
I have defended Wakefield when people have argued for it to be them and not Cas on the Leeds board and the VT and as such that ends up as me taking more of a devils advocate position, but I think that is the worst you could level at me. I do argue strongly in favour of Crusaders going if someone has to go as well.
Other than the post I refer to above, I don't regret anything else (I think! ) I have posted, so links to threads are fine by me... I expect it could be boring fro everyone but me and you though!
Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine!
BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
Some very interesting reading there from a man who purports not to favour one or the other...
Is that the best you can do - hmmm, I think you screen name is very apt indeed! So my defending Wakefield over people arguing for them to go and Cas to stay and then me laying into the welsh folly is me being anti-Cas, despite me arguing to keep them in SL!!! Brilliant, any better ones?
Some very interesting reading there from a man who purports not to favour one or the other...
Is that the best you can do - hmmm, I think you screen name is very apt indeed! So my defending Wakefield over people arguing for them to go and Cas to stay and then me laying into the welsh folly is me being anti-Cas, despite me arguing to keep them in SL!!! Brilliant, any better ones?
I wouldn't bother reading this bit, there is nothing interesting, witty or insightful down here, just this collection of boring words explaining that you really are wasting your time browsing this signature in the vain and futile hope that there will be a nugget, nay, a veritable goldmine of witticisms or divine philosophy. In reality, all you're going to get is disappointment, a sense of hopelessness and a random word.
Is that the best you can do - hmmm, I think you screen name is very apt indeed! So my defending Wakefield over people arguing for them to go and Cas to stay and then me laying into the welsh folly is me being anti-Cas, despite me arguing to keep them in SL!!! Brilliant, any better ones?
Why were Cas dragged into the argument in the first place when the argument was about the merits of Wakefield and Crusaders? Others on the Leeds board have noticed your pro-Wakefield stance so not really a question of my paranoia, more a question of you being a little more honest.
Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:
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Is that the best you can do - hmmm, I think you screen name is very apt indeed! So my defending Wakefield over people arguing for them to go and Cas to stay and then me laying into the welsh folly is me being anti-Cas, despite me arguing to keep them in SL!!! Brilliant, any better ones?
Why were Cas dragged into the argument in the first place when the argument was about the merits of Wakefield and Crusaders? Others on the Leeds board have noticed your pro-Wakefield stance so not really a question of my paranoia, more a question of you being a little more honest.
As I said, and said lots of time before if you care to search my posts, I find it hard to be overly critical of RW (and do regret being so above) but equally can I say, many Cas fans appear to have short memory's!!! It would not be hard to post half a dozen or more articles of RW claiming this that and the other, which subsequently all turned out to be half-truths. The ground is SOLD for one, would only be half the truth would it not?
There is a difference between spinning a positive tale and blaming everyone else, the latter of which which you implied he would do in your post.
Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:
When you accuse me of posting something that is detrimental to the 'club' you show your bias (which is fine BTW, don't have a problem with that) because you view this as putting Cas down over Wakefield!
And when exactly did I mention Wakefield, or are you confusing me with someone else? Or is it just because of your inbuilt bias that you think I have any axe to grind with Wakefield's stadium plan or their SL franchise. You may find it difficult to believe, but I think that SL should have both clubs, that Cas vs Wakefield derbies are ones that get the pulse racing and no matter where either club is in the table, you can never call the result. Nothing wrong with Wakefield, although their trolls can be a pain in the butt at times.
Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:
You see as someone who supports neither club, I don't think that, I think it sets the record straight and actual shows exactly what I think it does show... that Wakefield and Cas are at least 18 months away from being in new stadiums and that kicking either of them out now would be plain stupid and possibly jeopardise those projects. You and others are accusing me of being anti-Cas but you do that because my posts actual reveal a truer picture of the situation and quite frankly, you don't like the answer. Well, the truth often hurts!
So, do you always tell the truth, or do you hide things at times? Why not go round in a sandwich board every day with "There's no such thing as Santa" on it. Let's face it, the truth hurts, but at least we can then all get on and spend our money on more useful things than buying dirty great shedfuls of useless plastic tat at Christmas. So why don't you carry on and do that too?
Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:
You call my a hypocrite yet you say fans petitions should have nothing to do with the franchise process and say if they did, the system is a joke... but clearly think that the planning process is different and a petition is fine??? Hmmm, double standards?
Double standards? Not at all. The County Council's duty is to serve the PEOPLE of the County. Castleford Tigers RLFC and the Rugby Football League are NOT public bodies. They get their money from people who CHOOSE to pay them. The Council get their money from people who are FORCED to pay, so surely, the people who have no choice other than fund the council have a right to petition them to request the services that they want or need. ATEOTD, Cas Tigers have every right to pull out of the RFL and become a sports club affiliated with another body (Manningham to Bradford City, Wakefield Trinity from Union to Northern Union), and the fans are NOT obliged to pay Cas for their services. If they live in the area, they are obliged to pay the Council. That's why it's two completely different situations.
Inflatable_Armadillo wrote:
Well, in July you will probably being doing one or the other and the really sad news is that so will Wakey fans. I just wish you would both be laughing, but unless you all take your heads out of the sand one of you will be crying. You just hope it's not you right.... but what if it is... will you regret not doing something different?
Heads out of the sand? I really don't know if you're for real here. I for one do not have my head in the sand. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that RW is not one to have his head in the sand. The fans have not got their heads in the sand - putting signatures together for a petition and trying to get the stadium process moving does not smack of complacency. I think we all know that this is going to be a tricky and involved process, but as a small town, no sugar daddy backer and in the middle of a recession it was never going to be easy.
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