Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:58 am  

If Hardaker was concussed doesn't he have to sit out the next game?

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:02 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Is there anyone else in on the conspiracy?

John Kear ?

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:11 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

It honestly doesn’t matter what you think you can see on Sky plus. You don’t know if Hardaker was knocked out or not. Whereas a trained medical professional advised the club he was. For you then to start arguing semantics about one injury being more acceptable than the other is simply idiotic, god alone knows why you think that we should be sat here thinking “oh chase didn’t knock him out, he only gave him concussion, that’s not too bad”.

The fact that you then go on to say that the use of the word ‘knocked out’ was some pejorative linguistic voodoo by Mcdermott to try and influence the disciplinary committee is absolute nonsense. Especially when the actual, clinical diagnosis of Hardakers injury is the much more scary sounding mild traumatic brain injury.

Im not sure Disco’s diagnosis by tivo is going to be a long lasting clinical tool.

But now we have Hardaker, McDermott, and Terry O’connor in on this persecution of the poor little drunken violent criminal with a poor disciplinary record. Is there anyone else in on the conspiracy?

The fuzziest of fuzzy logic... well done! Daring to state what the playback shows doesn't constitute "a diagnosis by Tivo" nor have I ever claimed to be a medical professional. And I haven't suggested that Chase only gave Hardaker concussion.. I've suggested that a clash of heads left them BOTH with concussion. But hey suggest that I have, lace it with your trademark sarcasm and call it a reasoned response... Good for you. Your coach would be so proud.

As for drunken violent criminals.. I'm pretty sure Rangi didn't take to the field under the influence of alcohol, but either way your tendency for forgiveness seems highly selective given that there were definitely ex-cons on the park on Sunday wearing Leeds shirts.

But hey, the bottom line is we're not going to see eye to eye on this, so why not do as I suggested a few posts ago and call it a day?

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:18 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

John Kear ?

Shhh that goes all the way to the top, you can’t talk about it without the secret handshake.

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:25 pm  

Disco wrote:

The fuzziest of fuzzy logic... well done! Daring to state what the playback shows doesn't constitute "a diagnosis by Tivo" nor have I ever claimed to be a medical professional. And I haven't suggested that Chase only gave Hardaker concussion.. I've suggested that a clash of heads left them BOTH with concussion. But hey suggest that I have, lace it with your trademark sarcasm and call it a reasoned response... Good for you. Your coach would be so proud.

So you are saying that you aren’t trying to diagnose them via what you saw on TV, but you can confidently tell us that what you saw on TV means they both have concussion?

As for drunken violent criminals.. I'm pretty sure Rangi didn't take to the field under the influence of alcohol, but either way your tendency for forgiveness seems highly selective given that there were definitely ex-cons on the park on Sunday wearing Leeds shirts.

Which ex-cons are these?

But hey, the bottom line is we're not going to see eye to eye on this, so why not do as I suggested a few posts ago and call it a day?

It seems you have only one, so that does make it a little more difficult.

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:33 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

...<snip>...

FFS.

Okay, you're right. Here's a lolly (...pat pat pat).

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:53 pm  

Disco wrote:

FFS.

Okay, you're right. Here's a lolly (...pat pat pat).

Typical Smokey argument, bore people into submission posting nonsensical crap, use the ignore list and stop quoting him!

Sam Tomkins is questioning the RFL about the Chase & French blokes bans now calling the latter "10 times worse"

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:07 pm  

Add Sam Tomkins and Jordan Tansey to the growing list of evidence in support for my "keep big daft lads off Twitter" campaign.

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:13 pm  

Disco wrote:

McDermott said that Rangi "clearly knocked the kid out".
He clearly didn't, and AFAIK McDermott has yet to retract or apologise for his accusation.

Either way it's done with now.. certain individuals have (in my view) got away with fitting a player up and getting him banned and, as I said, I doubt there'll be any appeal. All we can hope for is that if Bradford or Catalans manage to finish above Leeds this season, it'll be by the two points they'll probably now get as a gimmie after Cas have been denied their playmaker.

I'm sorry but I really can't see how you've reached that conclusion. Leaving aside my conviction that Hardaker did, indeed lose consciousness (which is all McDermott said, the legality of how the blow landed was something he declined to comment on) how do you think any of this influenced the disciplinary?

Chase's shoulder made contact with the head of Hardaker. This is what he's been charged with. If Hardaker's twitter testimony was behind this (as far fetched as that is as a concept anyway) would he not have been charged with an elbow.

Like it or not, Chase has been charged and punished in line with everyone else put before the beak for the same offence. I fail to see, in that case, how what anyone has said in the press constitutes "fitting him up." No evidence was planted, no false statements given to the authorities. No fit up.

Dr El Diablo's recommendations:

Ban shoulder charges.

Stop banning people for them until you do.

Ban BDL rugby players and coaches from discussing their jobs on twitter.

My bill's in the post.

Re: Rangi Charged : Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:38 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

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The only way I can respond is to either drag in someone else without their consent or to quote the old cliche "I know stuff I can't say on here", neither of which are tactics I want to stoop to. As I said to Smokey, it's perhaps best to draw a line... we have our views on what went on and they're unlikely to change in either camp.