: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:19 am  

-DAZ- wrote:

It'll soon be July

I don't get that sorry.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:39 am  

I don't get that sorry.

We come to Belle Vue - summer rugby hmm rain we can't adapt to but good conditions we're well suited

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:46 am  

Legionited wrote:

I think this just about sums it up for me, I've posted some of these points on the other board.

It's also worth noting that we only had Dean Widders for 15 minutes or so. I think we'd have gone better with Boyle playing too, but for whatever reason TM thinks Massey is a better option. Not sure I agree with him there at all.

I also believe the conditions last night were completely detrimental to our style of play and we didn't really attempt to deal with that and change our play, rather we attempted to battle against them and carry on regardless, a battle which we ultimately lost. The amount of lost ball in the first half was horrendous.

Full credit to Wakey, they took us apart, and whilst I think 35-6 was fair in that we ultimately got what we deserved, I don't think it was a true reflection of the sides. When the players heads went down, Wakey turned the screw and really stuck it to us and we didn't seem too interested for the last 15.

the conditions were the same for both teams, kears rotations were spot on. after half an hour doubled up off the bench with sculthorpe and drew, 2 mins later we scored. you were out thought, out muscled, out enthused and out played in every part of the pitch. thought westerman and sarge were poor. best of luck with wire.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:29 pm  

MR BROWN wrote:

the conditions were the same for both teams, kears rotations were spot on. after half an hour doubled up off the bench with sculthorpe and drew, 2 mins later we scored. you were out thought, out muscled, out enthused and out played in every part of the pitch. thought westerman and sarge were poor. best of luck with wire.

Michael, chill out. No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for both sides. What we are saying is, that our team (Cas) can't play in crap conditions. When the sun is shining and the pitch is perfect we're world beaters and fancy our chances against anyone. I haven't read anywhere where a Cas fan has said we deserved to win because it was plainly obvious Wakey were the better team and can play in crap conditions.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:38 pm  

We're not bad on a dry pitch in the sunshine ourselves.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:07 pm  

I keep having this argument about the conditions and whilst I have to agree they were the same for both teams, even before the kick of I said I was worried that the conditions wouldn't be in out favour. They were of course bad for both teams, but I feared that we wouldn't handle as well as Wakey and that proved to be the case.
We were beaten by the better side on the night, that's beyond dispute and the tactical awareness of JK, who has done his homework on us, but we did still blew a number of chances in that first half that might have changed the complexion of the game.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:27 pm  

LewisJ23 wrote:

:lol: we're fourth and deserve to be there, we're s*it hot at the minute...that said i wouldn't expect you to give us any credit even if we won 8 in a row because your biased and have a petty hate for Cas that's really sad. Users like snowie are good to talk to but you bring nothing just your biased views.

Still think you're poop hot at the minute!

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:26 pm  

marshman wrote:

Michael, chill out. No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for both sides. What we are saying is, that our team (Cas) can't play in crap conditions. When the sun is shining and the pitch is perfect we're world beaters and fancy our chances against anyone. I haven't read anywhere where a Cas fan has said we deserved to win because it was plainly obvious Wakey were the better team and can play in crap conditions.

I agree and that is fundamentally what I'm saying. We are a marginally better side (and SL is a very marginal thing) because seem to be able to adapt this year, don't forget you are the fourth team we have beaten by a 20 point margin this season with tries scored mainly from the backline.

The difference for me comes down to options and it stuns me none of the pundits have noticed this. Cas and a number of other teams have a couple of playmakers, you have three IMO in Hudson, Shirwin and McGoldrick.

Now look at Wakefield. Yesterday we had, Martin, Drew, Obst and Brough - that is twice as many options as you had - and I feel when Drew came on it showed and then it showed again when Brough re-joined the fray. It only takes one to fire to win a game as it happens Drew and Obst were stand outs in this game.

Further to that not even in the 17 were Latu, Rooney and Grix. Now I'm not saying individually these guys are the best, but it gives us options, it gives us a chance to pick on form and above all it keeps pressure on players to perform.

Kears philosophy seems to be that you need playmakers first, then a pack then the fancy dan backs. Without playmakers and enough of them you can't change the game to suit the situation, without a pack of course you can't give the halves the space they need.

You can see it in ours squad, the only backs to arrive with a reputaion were Petterson, Martin and Blanch the rest are all bargain buys and homegrown.

Not so with the halves, they all came ready made apart from Grix and we have plenty of them.

Now before you think I'm getting ahead of myself I'm not. I don't think we are vastly better than you and on any given day you could reverse the result, or that we are likely to win SL I'm not that daft or up myself. I just think we have a far better team than we get credit for and the way it was constructed is an object lesson in how to use your resources. That's not to say it won't go t*ts up, that is the thing with sport anything can happen and we are as vulnerable as the next.

There are terific things happening at Cas and SL in general IMHO as well but you need to runs before you can walk and it's taken us 3 years to get to here (here is pretty fragile place all the same). We now have a backbone of players who have been with us a while now, you have not quite got that yet for obvious reason and I think it makes a difference. We will only know how much about August time

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:38 pm  

marshman wrote:

. What we are saying is, that our team (Cas) can't play in crap conditions. When the sun is shining and the pitch is perfect we're world beaters

Are you serious ???

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:41 pm  

why we still talking bout this game, we've got an other one to think about in a couple of days.