Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:42 pm  

rovers wrote:

What was actually sung at Gareth and how bad was it? the fine does seem very excessive, i think Castleford are unlucky in that the 1st clubs fans that gave Gareth any stick the RFL were always going to clamp down and make an example to nip it in the bud. I do think this fine will do the trick even though i never expected it to be this much. I did hear an interview with him where he says he would challenge any abuse he gets to make it easier in the future for people to play the game who are homosexual, perhaps he can be applauded for that, 1 club was always going to bear the brunt and im afraid its Cas

I believe it went along the lines of "Gareth Thomas takes it up the arris!". It's not half as bad as some sections are making out. All this has happened because he mentioned it on the BBC.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:59 pm  

OrangeConditioner wrote:

Did I say that they did? No, no I didn't. But more on the point, what relevance is that?

No one is being murdered, persecuted, or generally discriminated against for being white or having ginger hair.

Unfortunately for Cas at this moment it is a hate crime to abuse someone based on their sexuality, the RFL have deemed it unacceptable to allow this to go on in a SL ground, not sure what complaints you have really. Or should illegal activity be condoned on our terraces as long as no one is really getting hurt?

You seemed to imply that only 'non-white' people are unfortunate enough to be lumbered with their skin colour. Personally I find the view that a mere skin tone carries with it some level of good fortune to be pretty racist, but I'm sure that's not what you meant.

You're also on the wrong board for claiming nobody gets persecuted for having ginger hair by the way. For some reason there are people who seem to think everyone in Cas is a 'ginner' - or for that matter a 'banjo playing hick' or a 'country bumpkin'. Still, it's lucky we don't all complain really isn't it...? By and large, we cut out the 'jewish' references towards Leeds fans years ago. Shame it doesn't work both ways really.

As for what my complaint is, please read my previous post and then tell me, specifically, what the Cas club could have done with respect to this incident but didn't, which justifies a £40k fine.

Also, is calling someone names is actually 'illegal' now? F**k me stiff...

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:03 pm  

rovers wrote:

What was actually sung at Gareth and how bad was it? the fine does seem very excessive, i think Castleford are unlucky in that the 1st clubs fans that gave Gareth any stick the RFL were always going to clamp down and make an example to nip it in the bud. I do think this fine will do the trick even though i never expected it to be this much. I did hear an interview with him where he says he would challenge any abuse he gets to make it easier in the future for people to play the game who are homosexual, perhaps he can be applauded for that, 1 club was always going to bear the brunt and im afraid its Cas

Nothing was chanted or sang. I was at the game and it wasn't like the whole stand sang songs about him. Some individuals shouted somethings at him but it's been made out like an entire section of fans chanted things. They didn't.

Having been at this game in question I'm gobsmacked by the RFL. I've heard a lot worse being sang by our fans and away fans before and nothing has been said by the RFL. At the weekend chants of 'the ref is a ******', was sang by a set of fans on was clearly heard on Sky, has anything been said about that to the club involved?????

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:21 pm  

Gurus_Beard wrote:

Is the behaviour of Tigers fans any worse than other SL clubs? Having visited them all, I would suggest not.

You're the only ones I've ever heard claim to have Hitler in their fan base! Time to make the massive leap into the 2010's. FWIW I thought the fine was excessive and perhaps another suspension may be in order but if the numpties step out of line again and cost you a franchise then I doubt many will have much sympathy which would be a shame as I like going to WR.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:32 pm  

Riggins wrote:

Nothing was chanted or sang. I was at the game and it wasn't like the whole stand sang songs about him. Some individuals shouted somethings at him but it's been made out like an entire section of fans chanted things. They didn't.

Having been at this game in question I'm gobsmacked by the RFL. I've heard a lot worse being sang by our fans and away fans before and nothing has been said by the RFL. At the weekend chants of 'the ref is a ******', was sang by a set of fans on was clearly heard on Sky, has anything been said about that to the club involved?????

I was also at the game and whilst it was'nt the whole terrace, it was a chant by enough people to be clearly heard by my wife, son and self from the half way line. I can understand questions over the level of fine (which I understand is 20k for this and the suspended 20k from the Cats incident) What I cannot fathom is people who seem to think that because this has happened before it shouldn't be tackled.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:07 pm  

Traffic wrote:

What I cannot fathom is people who seem to think that because this has happened before it shouldn't be tackled.

Who thinks that? Of course it should be tackled, or rather it should have been tackled already. The bone of contention is that such behavior is widespread through the game - there should be precedents - but only when it happens at Cas do the punitive fines come out (and this at a time when we need every cent to put into our new stadium and ensure our SL survival... Coincidence?).

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:13 pm  

Disco wrote:

Who thinks that? Of course it should be tackled, or rather it should have been tackled already. The bone of contention is that such behavior is widespread through the game - there should be precedents - but only when it happens at Cas do the punitive fines come out (and this at a time when we need every cent to put into our new stadium and ensure our SL survival... Coincidence?).

I understand that previous instances of abuse has gone unpunished and Cas are the first to get punished but if there isn't a first we just keep accepting it. When and what do you suggest the RFL should do to show enough is enough?

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:17 pm  

Traffic wrote:

I was also at the game and whilst it was'nt the whole terrace,

I was at the game, stood 15 yards to the right of the group.
They sang 2 songs, not lasting more than 30 sconds for both songs.

The first one made me cringe, though imo it wasn't sang that loud and i didnt imgine cry baby would have heard it at all. He was down the other end of the field.
The second one was more light hearted and tbh did make me smile ''we can see you holding hands''......just a bit of lighthearted banter, well thats how i saw it.


40 grand for a 30 second chant

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:18 pm  

Traffic wrote:

I understand that previous instances of abuse has gone unpunished and Cas are the first to get punished but if there isn't a first we just keep accepting it. When and what do you suggest the RFL should do to show enough is enough?

Oh I dunno... set the precedent with a richer club maybe? One that doesn't need a new ground because it already has a nice one or maybe shares with a football team or a cricket club? No. Let's p*ss on Castleford instead... again.

Re: Tigers handed £40k fine : Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:19 pm  

Disco wrote:

Oh I dunno... set the precedent with a richer club maybe? One that doesn't need a new ground because it already has a nice one or maybe shares with a football team or a cricket club? No. Let's p*ss on Castleford instead... again.

Thats exactly how it seems.