Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:17 pm  

wakeyrule wrote:

You don't ostracise someone just because they don't play well. Even if there's a good reason for it the player and his team mates deserve an explanation. I'm not a fan of Mathers, but he went ok for you last year when I saw him - this smacks of vindictiveness, which is not a nice trait in anybody, least of all a manager. If Mathers did have good friends in the Cas team it could affect their attitude to Millward, and any manager worth his salt will know that teams work best when they work together, and not because they're 'scared' of a bully boy manager.

I think there was certainly more to it that that, as other said, there are two sides to every story, there were rumours last year of him feigning injury after being dropped through poor form, if these rumours were true no coach would want him near his team.

Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:18 pm  

As people have said, there are two sides to every story and almost certainly Millward is going to say things differently.

Regarding IM, many of the Cas fans that have been down to the events to meet him have been fairly satisfied with what he has had to say and the change of professionalism in the club in terms of training, health etc has been a considerable improvement. Therefore, he's made a good start. The players always talk positively about training and about him as well.

Some people just don't get on; I don't believe this is the case with Mathers. Just think that he wasn't first choice full-back and that's why Wakefield came sniffing.

Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:51 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

I have a bad feeling about this for Cas.

I can see this being brought up by angry Cas fans later on in the season or next season as "the first example of Millward ruining things".

Scully's autobiography said some revealing things about Millward, that despite their success he only had about half the dressing room on his side. Scully had mentioned to him several times that he didn't like the way Millward bullied younger players but nothing was done about it.

The Cas tradition has usually been hard work and low ego and guys like Stuart Raper and Terry Matterson built that culture but with Millward it is more a case of Millward the media personality creating drama and cultivating his own image. Yes he won a lot of trophies with Saints riding on the back of a world class team but at Wigan he was massively exposed and took the club backwards.

A lot of Cas fans will give him a chance early on which is fair enough but I predict before the end of this season and certainly before the end of next season there will be a large Millward Out movement amongst Cas fans and anger at the disruption he is causing. Behaviour like this with Mathers is not out of character with Millward and he just does not fit Cas IMO.

This post is spot on. Millward will ruin cas.

Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:07 pm  

Fully wrote:

Some people just don't get on; I don't believe this is the case with Mathers. Just think that he wasn't first choice full-back and that's why Wakefield came sniffing.

Good old Fully, RW's Minister of Information, putting a relentlessly positive spin on everything.

Do you not think that RM's own tweets about his situation at Cas might have had something to do with it? He was very public about being told not to train with his mates and tweeted quite openly for a couple of weeks about his increasingly difficult situation. I don't approve of it particularly, but it was quite revealing.

I was stood near Millward when Mathers scored one past your lot by the way - he had a face like a blistered pi55pot; wish I could have got a picture.

Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:18 pm  

A short statement from the club when he moved to Wakey should of been issued.

Whatever the reason its poor P.R for the club.

Re: Mathers : Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:24 pm  

bren2k wrote:

:lol:

Good old Fully, RW's Minister of Information, putting a relentlessly positive spin on everything.

Do you not think that RM's own tweets about his situation at Cas might have had something to do with it? He was very public about being told not to train with his mates and tweeted quite openly for a couple of weeks about his increasingly difficult situation. I don't approve of it particularly, but it was quite revealing.

I was stood near Millward when Mathers scored one past your lot by the way - he had a face like a blistered pi55pot; wish I could have got a picture.

You know, you really are starting to get annoying. It's bordering on harassment.

How is that putting a positive spin on anything? I've not defended Cas nor have I defended Millward. I did say there is two sides to every argument and rather than believing what one person says, I'd listen to both sides.

He wasn't first choice full-back, fact. Wakefield did come sniffing, fact, hence why he's currently in your side. I didn't mention what happened around the situation between those two points as I don't know, nor do you for that matter. The only people that truly know are RM and IM.

Either you grow up or please just stop posting on this forum. You're ruining the proper discussion.

Re: Mathers : Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:23 am  

bren2k wrote:

:lol:

Good old Fully, RW's Minister of Information, putting a relentlessly positive spin on everything.

Do you not think that RM's own tweets about his situation at Cas might have had something to do with it? He was very public about being told not to train with his mates and tweeted quite openly for a couple of weeks about his increasingly difficult situation. I don't approve of it particularly, but it was quite revealing.

I was stood near Millward when Mathers scored one past your lot by the way - he had a face like a blistered pi55pot; wish I could have got a picture.

Dont know many coaches that do smile when a try is scored against them? And in reference to your post earlier, on what grounds would RM have been able to take Castleford to a tribunal(constructive dismissal)?
He was still getting paid wasn't he? I wish my employer would pay me and tell me not to turn up to work

Re: Mathers : Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:28 am  

stevem wrote:

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Dont know many coaches that do smile when a try is scored against them? And in reference to your post earlier, on what grounds would RM have been able to take Castleford to a tribunal(constructive dismissal)?
He was still getting paid wasn't he? I wish my employer would pay me and tell me not to turn up to work

That was my point really - I said I didn't particularly approve of him playing out his grievances in the media and the comment about a tribunal was intended to highlight that he wouldn't actually have a case.

Re: Mathers : Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:56 am  

bren2k wrote:

:lol:

Good old Fully, RW's Minister of Information, putting a relentlessly positive spin on everything.

Do you not think that RM's own tweets about his situation at Cas might have had something to do with it? He was very public about being told not to train with his mates and tweeted quite openly for a couple of weeks about his increasingly difficult situation. I don't approve of it particularly, but it was quite revealing.

I was stood near Millward when Mathers scored one past your lot by the way - he had a face like a blistered pi55pot; wish I could have got a picture.

you are the one who puts spin on the last bit on your every post...

its usually cheap dig , cowardly comment or just a silly remark to try and get people to bite

Re: Mathers : Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:28 am  

Fully wrote:

You know, you really are starting to get annoying. It's bordering on harassment.

How is that putting a positive spin on anything? I've not defended Cas nor have I defended Millward. I did say there is two sides to every argument and rather than believing what one person says, I'd listen to both sides.

He wasn't first choice full-back, fact. Wakefield did come sniffing, fact, hence why he's currently in your side. I didn't mention what happened around the situation between those two points as I don't know, nor do you for that matter. The only people that truly know are RM and IM.

Either you grow up or please just stop posting on this forum. You're ruining the proper discussion.

What makes you think we come sniffing? I wasn’t aware that was factual. From following events on twitter and what was said in the media all we know is Millward simply didn’t want him in his team or even training for what ever reason. This was made clear to his agent who touted him around, we only became interested when we realised you was that desperate to off load that your still paying half his wages. So in reality he wasn’t a player that we were that desperate to sign but the deal on the table was to good to turn down.