Can we totally eradicate NM from our thinking. What if our next SL bid goes in without any brick being laid at GH while NM is ready for 2015. Our only chance of a license would be to move elsewhere so we would have to decide whether to play in the Championship at WR (effectively excluding ourselves from SL ad infinitum) or groundshare in a qualifying stadium in the hope GH get's built sooner rather than later. If the latter would a trip to the other side of Methley enable us to retain/sustain more support than say a slog down the A1 to Doncaster?
You could groundshare with Fev, they'll have a Super League standard facility by 2015
As a neutral it is very hard to see two stadiums getting built. Even one stadium getting built is a long shot in this economical climate.
I just don't see where the money is going to come from. I can understand the frustrations of both sets of fans and the officials of both clubs. The whole thing has a gold rush feel about it. Who will be first to get the stadium money from the council (before it inevitably runs out). If there is any money at all. It is understandable that people are starting to play dirty.
As a neutral it is hard not to look at the Wakefield area and not see Castleford (great on field success and youth scheme) with Wakefield (catchment area and potential) and not see that combined there is a pretty good looking Super League club there. Once both were in the same stadium questions would inevitably asked "why have both?", It’s a catch 22 situation and I cannot help but feel that in the end one club is going to survive and the other will disappear (if not both).
As a neutral it is very hard to see two stadiums getting built. Even one stadium getting built is a long shot in this economical climate.
I just don't see where the money is going to come from. I can understand the frustrations of both sets of fans and the officials of both clubs. The whole thing has a gold rush feel about it. Who will be first to get the stadium money from the council (before it inevitably runs out). If there is any money at all. It is understandable that people are starting to play dirty.
As a neutral it is hard not to look at the Wakefield area and not see Castleford (great on field success and youth scheme) with Wakefield (catchment area and potential) and not see that combined there is a pretty good looking Super League club there. Once both were in the same stadium questions would inevitably asked "why have both?", It’s a catch 22 situation and I cannot help but feel that in the end one club is going to survive and the other will disappear (if not both).
Like most neutral fans who make similar comments you don't seem to understand where the funding is coming from, the council aren't funding either n(if we had the same level of assistance that fax, leigh, widnes, fc, donny etc had got from there councils at least one team would already have a new ground) so there is no council money to run out. And yes your right if either team doesn't get a new stadium there in big trouble, especially wakefield as they don't own bv and would struggle to pay the rent in the lower leagues which is why why the these new stadiums are vital, welcome to the wonderful world of franchising.
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Firstly, there isn't as much as you think, yes, there is some but as a percentage of the overall I reckon it would struggle to be more than 5% of the total. Also, some of the empty units are a victim of the boom when building spec units (sorry, that means building them to specification without an end user client signed up) were built and often were taken on short leases or left empty. However, as these units are not built with a specific end user in mind companies that need these type of units either move on or, in some cases went out of business in the recession. Unless the developer wants to knock them down and offer the site again for a new build they don't get taken... and it is cheaper for the developer to leave them empty!!! There is not much empty space on the M1 corridor either, J41 is full and someone even took Slazengers unit and refurbed it... J41 is a great location though, as J31 is and as J30 Newmarket is, and that is attractive to long term end-users!
The inspector determined in 2009 that Wakefield would need this extra space to for both economic growth, regeneration and job creation. Remember, this is to take the Wakefield district to 2022 and Yorkcourt would not expect full occupancy for at best 5 years and more likley 7 to 10 years, as the plan.
As such, it is now a legal requirement for Wakefield to allocate 95ha (at least, they are now saying 108ha but even I think that is too much) for B8 development on the M62 Corridor. Ok, some people are arguing tha the M62 corridor should maybe also mean the A1 corridor, but that is real greenfield land out that way.
Also, this is not done in isolation, the Aire Valley is also required to contribute to the Leeds City Regional targets for B8, but the problem with the Aire Valley is that, well... it is a crap location compared to the M62 between Wakefield/Castleford & Leeds and the M1 south of J42. Hence the reason they have made it and EZ (Employment Zone), meaning the government give companies tax breaks and incentives to move there... the problem is, is that this sort of offer attracts short term boundary hopping companies who bugger off somewhere else when the incentives dry up!
The reason Yorkcourt and WMDC want Newmarket is that long term end-users want Newmarket... it is a very good location and they want an Asda, like at J31 or a Coca-Cola, like at J41 who will stay for decades at that location.
Long answer, but you know me!
Long answer maybe....great answer YES. I know there is a lot of bickering about the details but I appreciate your clarifications on the details IA. This is by no means my area of expertise but I am interested because WTW are interested and you make it understandable without dumbing it down. Thank you for that. Keep 'em coming.
Like most neutral fans who make similar comments you don't seem to understand where the funding is coming from, the council aren't funding either n(if we had the same level of assistance that fax, leigh, widnes, fc, donny etc had got from there councils at least one team would already have a new ground) so there is no council money to run out. And yes your right if either team doesn't get a new stadium there in big trouble, especially wakefield as they don't own bv and would struggle to pay the rent in the lower leagues which is why why the these new stadiums are vital, welcome to the wonderful world of franchising.
I did actual say "I don't know where the money is coming from". There was that group that Sir Rodney Walker was head of and (unsurprisingly) backed his old club Wakefield. That all sounded a bit pie in the sky.
I did actual say "I don't know where the money is coming from". There was that group that Sir Rodney Walker was head of and (unsurprisingly) backed his old club Wakefield. That all sounded a bit pie in the sky.
So where is the money coming from?
A company called yorkcourt will fund nm if planning gets passed as its the only way they can get some warehouses built. Gh will be funded by a company called opus in exchange for wr if planning gets passed there for a supermarket.
There has been plenty of questions rom Wakey fans regarding the funding of a new stadium at GH, Isn't it about time someone questioned the funding of a new stadium at NM on the back of the development of industrial units. I have worked in regeneration for some years and even in the boom period of the early to mid 2000s the value of industrial development has only ever been sufficient to provide the infrastructure required (roads, services etc) to fulfill the basic planning permission conditions.
In todays ecnomic climate I really cannot see a great demand for bespoke industrial units so at best Yorkcourt will have to build speculatively and that is a risk in itself never mind funding a stadium on the back of it to boot.
I understand that when Sir Rodney was asked at the PI where the funding was coming from to provide the stadium he suggested that £2m was coming from the council, £3-5m from the developer and the rest from the receipt for Belle Vue (do they actually still own it?) and bids to funding organisation such a Sport England(which have not yet been made). He further suggested that the £3-5m funding from the developer would be refunded if the other funding options proved more successful The man is either clearly deluded or he makes Richard Wright look like a novice in the spin doctor stakes (I think the latter). Perhaps one of our neighbours or IA from over the common can comment on where they think the funding is coming from because I just don’t get it.
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