Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:31 pm  

Georgie Best on a Bloomer wrote:

So, why is it different at club level? Should everyone who plays for a club have some sort of birth connection with the town that the club is in?

Club and International are completely different, at club level it is a business and in a business you get the best you can afford to be successful, in international you play the best of the available eligible players. We are just disagreeing on the eligibility terms.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:36 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Club and International are completely different, at club level it is a business and in a business you get the best you can afford to be successful, in international you play the best of the available eligible players. We are just disagreeing on the eligibility terms.

But it's not the case in all sport. For instance, in Cricket, it's the international success that supports the county clubs, not the other way round. Team England is the business, not the counties.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:45 pm  

Not in the strictest terms though is it, it makes more money granted and the guys get the central contracts which earns them more than they would get from the clubs but you couldn't just plonk Shane Warne in an England shirt there are still eligability rules(even if they are loose), whereas Warne could play for any county with relative ease.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:48 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Not in the strictest terms though is it, it makes more money granted and the guys get the central contracts which earns them more than they would get from the clubs but you couldn't just plonk Shane Warne in an England shirt there are still eligability rules(even if they are loose), whereas Warne could play for any county with relative ease.

So why the difference in perception of who plays for county/country, then?

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:17 am  

Gronk! wrote:

So in your eyes, someone who lives, works and pays taxes in a country - calls said country his home and is going to become a full citizen can NEVER be British?

In the same way - How about an Asian fella for example who has lived in the country for 30 of his 31 years alive - is he British?

This is how the world works now, you shouldn't be so narrow minded.

What a load of baloney,he wasnt born even on british ground so should never play for england end of,Next u will be saying that slater and the rest of the aussie team qualify under the fact that they must have some english in them somewhere.
I thought we wanted to catch up to these teams well if we try and do it this way we never will,Why o why are some going along with this ill never know FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:33 am  

He has let himself down and his country of origin,And all the other superleague clubs who are told u must be bringing your youngsters through as part of the criteria for a licence.If his child was born here there would be no problem with his child playing in years to come, but for all the people who say this is ok because of some strange made up rule then you are wrong and know u are.So does this mean he has made his bed and now cant play for newzeland ? .I for 1 am glad us widnes havent signed him,I used to love watching him play but have now lost faith in him.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:49 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

I've lived in London over a decade and i'm from the North West yet it doesn't make me a Londoner

but you should have the right to do so if you wanted to, hypothetical I know but you might end up spending more of your life in london than said place in NW where you were born. You may feel more affinity to the south than a town you havent visited for years. In that case IMO you would have every right to call yourself a Londoner.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:00 am  

Ok, speaking only from a point of view of my own personal opinion, Rangi, love him as a Cas fan, should never play/have played for England.
In my opinion the only two qualifications that should dictate your nationality are your place of birth and your parents nationality (i wouldnt even go as far as Grandparent qualification, and the only justification i accept as to parent nationality is to cover you if you are born whilst your parent/s are short term overseas - i.e holiday, short term working contract - not living in the country/emigrated) to give an example of this, my brother has now lived in Germany for over four years, he will always be English, his son was born in Germany and is two years old - even if my Brother returns to England to live, his son's nationality will always be German and the fact he has an English father will never make him English.
Now, like it or not, there are rules, regulations and laws in life we dont all like or agree with, we do however live by them.
Hull KR (i use you as an example - no dig intended) have to me worked around the rules of the game and the laws of the land to enable them to be in a position where the can have a squad including so many non uk players to give them the best advantage they can to achieve what they want to achieve (in there defence to give them further time to progress with a junior development system that has not had the same number of years to come to fruition as many of the other teams in super league) do i agree with it no, do i have to accept it - yes, as under laws as they stand they are doing nothing wrong.
Fact is wit Rangi we may not like or agree with it, McBanana is using the laws of the land and the game to give his side the best chance of being a success in the same way Austrailia and N.Z have in R.L and other countries have in other sports for many years.
I take my hat off to hime for making the decision he made and being sincere about his intentions.
My main point here be - Rangi is playing for England, and just as the narrow minded idiots thats boo'd Sam Tomkins, is it not time to stop the moaning, accept this is how it will be for this tournament and support the players pulling on the England jersey to represent our country ?

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:53 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

No

Even the residency argument doesn't hold sway

He has played for New Zealand Maori
He has played for the Exiles whose rules for qualifying where 'NOT BEING BRITISH'

He's as good as said i'm not a Brit went on record about wanting to play for NZ and then when he realised he was never going to shift Benji suddenly came up with the proud to be English spiel.

Going back to residency

Reed- born here, no problem
Heighington- English father no problem
Widdop- born here

Rangi lived here for 3 years and qualifies?

Why don't we just cherry pick the best 14 players from NRL stick one in each team exclude them from salary cap, pay them double what they'd get in Oz and kick ass 3 years from now?

Totally agree - that's the 'debate' over.

Re: Should Rangi Chase play for England? : Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:06 am  

I have no problem with Rangi playing for England the only problem i would have was if he did a Brough swapping and changing as it suits.