Re: Player Development : Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:18 pm  

Owen will sign for the Bulls

I have seen it in my crystal ball.....

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:24 am  

Don't we get compensation for players leaving under the age of 24 anyway, regardless of whether they're under contract or not?

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:29 am  

If we offer them a new deal, I believe so

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:57 am  

poppys mum wrote:

This thread is about player development.

I honestly believe TM as taken players like westerman/shenton backwards.
These players wont be at cas next season, you can include owen in that as well.
All will be playing for other clubs....we need drastic change asap or they will be gone.

Im sorry Poppys Mum, you often post some sensible points on the board - but this sounds suspiciously like 'we've only won 1 from 5 sack the coach' to me. Talk about knee jerk - we're 5 games in there's 28/29 rounds to play. Do you realy think another coach would be doing better with whats available than TM?

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:38 am  

Fully wrote:

Don't we get compensation for players leaving under the age of 24 anyway, regardless of whether they're under contract or not?

I thought it was 22

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:54 am  

poppys mum wrote:

This thread is about player development.

I honestly believe TM as taken players like westerman/shenton backwards.
These players wont be at cas next season, you can include owen in that as well.
All will be playing for other clubs....we need drastic change asap or they will be gone.

Shenny was a damn fine centre when TM arrived and has been Mr Consistent since then. I do not believe he has developed at all under TM. He has matured as a player-got a bit older and wiser

Westy, well he arrived in the first team as a lad with a sack full of skill, these skills have gone backwards, because he aint getting chance to use them.

Owen, what has he gained from being stuck on the wing instead of fullback? Again, not benefiting the individual in his development.

So...........lets see, who exactly has the current set up developed again?

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:57 am  

Zero chance of Westerman leaving at the end of this season if you ask me. He's tied up and it would take a hell of a lot of money to change that.

Owen might have been looking likely to head off to pastures new if not for this injury, there's no chance any big club is going to risk taking him on after such a terrible and unfortunately it has to be said a career-threatening injury.

Shenton is the most likely to leave once his contract is up, but if we improve things on and off the field and give him a reason to stay then I think he will do so.

As for their development, Westerman and Shenton have already been involved in the England set-up in recent times and Richie Owen was looking likely to stake a claim until the unfortunate accident at Bradford. All 3 players have come on leaps and bounds under TM and nobody could argue that they aren't proven SL quality players.

I was listening to Radio Humberside last night on the way to the game and they were discussing that Westerman hasn't quite proven himself as the "second coming" that people were saying he would be. Some of the hype and expectation put on his shoulders was absolutely ridiculous. Talk about putting a youngster under pressure. That being said, the lad is only 20 years of age and he's got a hell of a lot more to learn and achieve in his career and hopefully that will be at Cas.

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:48 pm  

See we lost then?

We have one of the finest pool of young players in the world on our doorstep. Look how often Cas schools make finals. Surely only the Wigan / Leigh Servie Area can rival ours.

Now, the club is paying a bit of a price for cutbacks that had to be made when we were relegated. I know money is often tight, but if we ringfenced £100k of our playing budget and instead of paying an average overseas player to play and give him a house etc....., why not invest that on top of what we do currently with our juniors?

I know the club has a junior structure, but there is always more that can be done. At present we cannot be the biggest club in the game yet, BUT we can have a junior programme that rivals the best in the world.

If we staff it with high quality sports science and coaching staff and invest in the finest facilites we can that will pay off. Ajax is not amongst the biggest football clubs in the world, but its youth system is. That can be our model.

There is no reason why we cannot have a squad of 24 with around 18 local players in time, no reason at all, but it need the vision and investment.

Im very disapointed in the news about "oh well Liam Watts was got rid of cos he was leading Westy astray!" RUBBISH. Maybe he was, but you manage the situation! Work with young players. Im a teacher and if we did that we would excude 20 kids a week! Thats so very very poor and is a worrying signal from the club. At worse, we should have loaned him off to allow him to grow up - which he would.

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:15 pm  

A very good post cheshire

This area is an absolute gold mine for talent,but we miss out to alot of them due to the set up.

Its like a quiz,think of the G.B internationals that were born in the town but never played for Cas.

Gareth Ellis,Andy Goodway,Paul Anderson,Daryl powell,Paul Broadbent, Rob burrow(not sure about Gareth Raynor)

Any others?, do know there will be others

Re: Player Development : Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:18 pm  

Cheshire Tiger wrote:

See we lost then?

We have one of the finest pool of young players in the world on our doorstep. Look how often Cas schools make finals. Surely only the Wigan / Leigh Servie Area can rival ours.

Now, the club is paying a bit of a price for cutbacks that had to be made when we were relegated. I know money is often tight, but if we ringfenced £100k of our playing budget and instead of paying an average overseas player to play and give him a house etc....., why not invest that on top of what we do currently with our juniors?

I know the club has a junior structure, but there is always more that can be done. At present we cannot be the biggest club in the game yet, BUT we can have a junior programme that rivals the best in the world.

If we staff it with high quality sports science and coaching staff and invest in the finest facilites we can that will pay off. Ajax is not amongst the biggest football clubs in the world, but its youth system is. That can be our model.

There is no reason why we cannot have a squad of 24 with around 18 local players in time, no reason at all, but it need the vision and investment.

Im very disapointed in the news about "oh well Liam Watts was got rid of cos he was leading Westy astray!" RUBBISH. Maybe he was, but you manage the situation! Work with young players. Im a teacher and if we did that we would excude 20 kids a week! Thats so very very poor and is a worrying signal from the club. At worse, we should have loaned him off to allow him to grow up - which he would.

Fine post Cheshire, absolutely spot on in every way!! Clearly you know a thing or two about sport!!!!!!!

We've heard so much over the past few years how the focus of our club must be to develop our own players.

IT SIMPLY ISN'T HAPPENING


As for not being able to manage an 18yr old, it is pathetic.