Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:15 am  

After watching our win yesterday evening it was pretty obvious for all to see the Kiwi tactics were to 'cause injury' or 'take out' of the game our key players. Dont get me wrong 'taking out' key players is a tactic used by many players/coaches, this is a tough game and if done fairly and within the rules this is not something i have an issue with. I will also admit playing the game hard and rough to intimidate opposition forwards, and even standing toe to toe if required when a player is punched i would condone (i do understand this is not the image the game wants to project), but intent to cause injury is something i cant and as a game we shouldnt accept.
Why when we have the technology at our disposal are we not able to use it for incidents of this nature ? sure you could say where does it end, and at what point do you stop using the video referee (i would have thought for a game that puts the well being of its players as a priority this would be justified -after all in the end any bans will be decided with use of video evidence).
Both Sam Tomkins, Rangi Chase and for me maybe to a lesser extent Jack Reed also were subjected to 'foul and dangerous' play in this game. What benefit to England in putting incidents on report, even more so when television viewers were all able to hear the referees comments to the players as to why these incidents were to be put on report in the first place - the referee and touch judges knew exactly what transpired in these incidents and what the intentions were and chose the easy/cowardly route out of making decisions they are paid as proffesionals to make.
I suppose in the end we can only be thankfull Tomkins did not end up with a broken jaw or cheekbone due to having a UFC elbow drop by Smith and Chase didnt end up with a broken leg or serious ligament damage due to the twisting of the leg after the tackle was completed by Luke (also noted the same dirty little poop who almost caused a serious leg injury to Shillington in the Kiwi/Aus game in the same tournement).
Surely it is time to have a re think on the use of video evidence on a situation you are going to put on report prior to doing so for the good of the player and the team who suffer the injustice.
As for the Kiwi's and there coach Marshall is much more effective when playing his game rather than trying so hard to get other players to bite, Smith should not play for a long while for use of the elbow and Luke as he has show in this competition alone attempting causing injury to fellow players is obviously part of his game (coached i doubt - personal choice likely). In the end you got what you deserved over to to panel !

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:55 pm  

I agree totally, Ive been saying this for a long time, Blatent attacks like what was seen was a disgrace, Ive never know a kiwi team to be as dirty and some of their players should hang their heads in shame

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:45 am  

I seems that unless you take the field and dont kill your opposition just injure them or attempt to then you wont have any kind of punishment...very very poor refereeing in this tourno even worse then SL this season.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:48 am  

They shouldn't be allowed to put incidents on report when there's a video ref. There's a stop in play anyway when the ref has a word with the players and explains why it's going on report, should use the same time to ask the VR to take a look and advise.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:53 am  

charlie wrote:

They shouldn't be allowed to put incidents on report when there's a video ref. There's a stop in play anyway when the ref has a word with the players and explains why it's going on report, should use the same time to ask the VR to take a look and advise.

And give a card if appropriate.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:09 am  

The deliberate attempt to injure Rangi Chase should've resulted in only one thing and that's a red card. The referee saw it too because he told the player what he'd done. He should be banned for a long time for that.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:51 pm  

2 game ban which can be played out in official pre season clubs games in nrl next season!

Complete joke.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:05 am  

charlie wrote:

They shouldn't be allowed to put incidents on report when there's a video ref. There's a stop in play anyway when the ref has a word with the players and explains why it's going on report, should use the same time to ask the VR to take a look and advise.

Why should only televised games not be allowed to put incidents on report, this would be totally unfair to the teams not on television. I have never agreed with the on report system as it gives the referee the soft option instead of doing what he is paid for. If he sends someone off and the disciplinary do not suspend him then we would have to live with it as mistakes do happen, if the on report system has to stay then make it a mandatory sin bin and if the same player warrants another on report in the same game then a red card should be issued.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:50 am  

spuda wrote:

2 game ban which can be played out in official pre season clubs games in nrl next season!

Complete joke.

Unacceptable. He could've ended Chase's career with his cowardly and disgraceful attack.

Re: Video Decisions - Hard/Dangerous Play : Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:04 pm  

For me, the introduction of 'putting on report' seems to have heraleded a green light for refs to remove their collective backbone. Yes, sending someone off is a definite game changer and only to be used in clear cut cases, but far too many referees are bottling out of what they ought to do in these situations and letting the panel sort it out instead.