Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:50 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

Oh and now you are also throwing in Melbourne Storm but I will throw back at you Perth!

First up....how are the links to the "extra" payments and "protection from relegation" coming along?

The Skolars are competitive now...they weren't as little as 5 years ago when they were winning 1 game a season. The reason for this? That's right...the development work done by the London SL side.
As for who's fault it is...I say it is 50/50 blame between incompetent management and ownership at the club and the RFL and other SL clubs......as for marketing, if we did any I'd be better placed to judge on potential interest, but when the RFL marketed the WCC warm up game, we got 7,500+ to see Manly...when we did 2-4-1 beers v Leeds we got 6,500. The debate is who should pay for the team and market it when the only real beneficiaries are the game itself?

If most people had your attitude of "we tried, it didn't work, let's forget it" we'd all be speaking German now.

Don't forget now...links to the "extra payments" and "protection from relegation"....there's a good chap

Oh...Perth. Perth will be in the NRL within 10 years and will average between 12k and 16k....the southern states aren't interested, but Perth, Brisbane ii, Central coasts and NZ II will all be part of the comp within 15 years....with proper expansion.

Melbourne were on extra cash for 18 years and the other NRL clubs didn't whine, but you northern monkeys cry like babies because "you think" London get extra cash but you can't prove it...

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:31 pm  

Good to see some healthy debate over what is clearly an emotive subject regarding the merits of London staying in SL.
It's ironic that previous criteria that kept Fax out SL at franchise time like stadium suitability;community rugby development;reaching required minimum average crowds; being financially solvent, seem to have been overlooked for a number of SL clubs by the same custodians of the game who set the rules in the first place! (and yes currently the latest example looks to be London)
The bigger picture for me is this current farce of having a current SL club with 6 registered players a few weeks ago, being unable to raise a team to play a local annual derby v London Solars, have no ground to play from at the time of writing and are now applying for administration. That is hardly the actions of an elite club!Owing £7.5m to one man is hardly a sound business plan and is simply not sustainable if he removed his funding.
Whichever way you cut it, London and a few others in SL are simply not ticking the current boxes.
So as the revolution starts to take place we need to decide if this current expansion policy, with no main commercial sponsor for the game is the right one, or if we need to take a different direction to ringfence what is left of the game.
Over you you SL clubs and RFL............... you have the future of this great game in your hands!!!!!
What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:40 pm  

even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/

even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:55 pm  

seanfax wrote: even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/ My word the truth hurts.

seanfax wrote: even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/ My word the truth hurts.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:19 pm  

Living The Dream wrote:

Good to see some healthy debate over what is clearly an emotive subject regarding the merits of London staying in SL.
It's ironic that previous criteria that kept Fax out SL at franchise time like stadium suitability;community rugby development;reaching required minimum average crowds; being financially solvent, seem to have been overlooked for a number of SL clubs by the same custodians of the game who set the rules in the first place! (and yes currently the latest example looks to be London)
The bigger picture for me is this current farce of having a current SL club with 6 registered players a few weeks ago, being unable to raise a team to play a local annual derby v London Solars, have no ground to play from at the time of writing and are now applying for administration. That is hardly the actions of an elite club!Owing £7.5m to one man is hardly a sound business plan and is simply not sustainable if he removed his funding.
Whichever way you cut it, London and a few others in SL are simply not ticking the current boxes.
So as the revolution starts to take place we need to decide if this current expansion policy, with no main commercial sponsor for the game is the right one, or if we need to take a different direction to ringfence what is left of the game.
Over you you SL clubs and RFL............... you have the future of this great game in your hands!!!!!
What could possibly go wrong?

I agree with everything in your post.....but as with all blame games and like poop in a sewer, it flows from the top and settles at the bottom.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:55 pm  

seanfax wrote: even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/ What a good, but damning, read. How very true it all is. I hope Red Hall sit up and take note.

seanfax wrote: even the aussies saw this coming http://www.leaguefreak.com/what-shall-w ... ncos-6201/ What a good, but damning, read. How very true it all is. I hope Red Hall sit up and take note.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:07 am  

gutterfax wrote:

First up....how are the links to the "extra" payments and "protection from relegation" coming along?

The Skolars are competitive now...they weren't as little as 5 years ago when they were winning 1 game a season. The reason for this? That's right...the development work done by the London SL side.
As for who's fault it is...I say it is 50/50 blame between incompetent management and ownership at the club and the RFL and other SL clubs......as for marketing, if we did any I'd be better placed to judge on potential interest, but when the RFL marketed the WCC warm up game, we got 7,500+ to see Manly...when we did 2-4-1 beers v Leeds we got 6,500. The debate is who should pay for the team and market it when the only real beneficiaries are the game itself?

If most people had your attitude of "we tried, it didn't work, let's forget it" we'd all be speaking German now.

Don't forget now...links to the "extra payments" and "protection from relegation"....there's a good chap

Oh...Perth. Perth will be in the NRL within 10 years and will average between 12k and 16k....the southern states aren't interested, but Perth, Brisbane ii, Central coasts and NZ II will all be part of the comp within 15 years....with proper expansion.

Melbourne were on extra cash for 18 years and the other NRL clubs didn't whine, but you northern monkeys cry like babies because "you think" London get extra cash but you can't prove it...

What the hell has the war got to do with this debate you are also bringing in the game in Australia to justify you argument also did I say that there WAS extra payments? I said we don't know what clubs get from who as money can be hidden under any name as an income its easy to do and not just London do it!
You will not agree will you if I say its black you will say its white, if I say its day you will say its night.
The thing is despite several rich businessmen putting their money into London Broncos, trying to get established at different parts of the city, different names to appeal to new fans and extra 'help' from the RFL by allowing more Aussie players and come on you and I both know that London would never have been allowed to be relegated be honest your club has gone bust, end of story!
I suppose its our fault as well is it???

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:14 am  

I read the League Freak article back in July when it was first posted.

London aren't alone in not been a feasible sports business. Many other SL clubs are a way off. If Koukash walked at Salford, Ken Davy left Huddersfield, or even Moran pulling the plug at Warrington they'd all be in trouble.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:25 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

First up....how are the links to the "extra" payments and "protection from relegation" coming along?

Don't forget now...links to the "extra payments" and "protection from relegation"....there's a good chap

You northern monkeys cry like babies because "you think" London get extra cash but you can't prove it...

Part quote from the link.

"The Rugby Football League has tipped a lot of money into the London Broncos over the years.
Millions of pounds.
They handed this club advantages other clubs did not receive."
"The Rugby Football League invested the sports money into this club and now it's all gone."
end.

Proof enough?

All clubs were protected from relegation as under the license system it didn't exist so no link needed for that.

Thank you for the insults.

I find the reference to "monkeys" when allied to sport particulary distasteful.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:58 pm  

Hey my last say on this I would like RL to expand across Britain but it won't its been tried and tried and failed so like I say lets just concentrate on its strengths which should be in its heartlands but the tinkermen at the top and greedy selfish club chairmen have ruined our game.