: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:38 pm  

Pepe wrote:

We’ll just have to see what happens and if any club has the balls to take them on. After the next round of licences, I reckon there’ll be nothing to lose doing so. Because if you don't get in then you never will anyway.

I think Leigh should challenge. Their chairman has already burnt his bridges after his verbal tirade last year. In for a penny, in for a pound. I'll be cheering him on in the public gallery and i will urge the judge to burn Mr Lewis on account of him being a witch.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:45 pm  

littlerich wrote:

I think Leigh should challenge. Their chairman has already burnt his bridges after his verbal tirade last year. In for a penny, in for a pound. I'll be cheering him on in the public gallery and i will urge the judge to burn Mr Lewis on account of him being a witch.

Yes, OK

I'd like to think that there would be a few clubs willing to take them on, rather than just one.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:51 pm  

Pepe wrote:

Yes, OK

I'd like to think that there would be a few clubs willing to take them on, rather than just one.

I don't think that's going to happen. They'd have to have a backup plan;a breakaway plan or something because the relationship would be irrepairable. They'd need a TV deal and big sponsorship to "go it alone" and until i see Michael Grade and Stuart Rose sitting down with Steve O'connor and Alan Rowley i'm of the firm belief that we should nod and toe the line and bow down to our wise masters.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:17 pm  

littlerich wrote:

I don't think that's going to happen. They'd have to have a backup plan;a breakaway plan or something because the relationship would be irrepairable. They'd need a TV deal and big sponsorship to "go it alone" and until i see Michael Grade and Stuart Rose sitting down with Steve O'connor and Alan Rowley i'm of the firm belief that we should nod and toe the line and bow down to our wise masters.

Why?

Do you think they'd throw 3 or 4 clubs out of the league?

If not, they have nothing to actually lose. The lower leagues are clearly being down graded and will soon be largely made up of feeder clubs, a process that is already starting to take place at Whitehaven. No club will be in a position the round after next, to take the place of a SL club.

The first round of licences has already proven to have been ill judged and the competency of the RFL is surely in question now.

It is clear from this statement:
"I was approached in 2004 to start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009," said Samuel.
That Mr Samuel. Was approached by someone acting on behalf of the RFL to “start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009,". This shows the what the intention of the RFL was to entering the Celtic Crusaders into SL, and also shows the whole licencing process to have been a complete sham.

If the RFL were to kick 3 or 4 big name clubs out of the Championships, it would create a schism in the game and have much further implications than just the clubs in question. It would open up a massive can of worms and a debate that would hold the RFL and it's actions up to the light. I very much doubt that the RFL would want that anymore than Dracula would.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:32 pm  

Pepe wrote:

Why?

Do you think they'd throw 3 or 4 clubs out of the league?

If not, they have nothing to actually lose. The lower leagues are clearly being down graded and will soon be largely made up of feeder clubs, a process that is already starting to take place at Whitehaven. No club will be in a position the round after next, to take the place of a SL club.

The first round of licences has already proven to have been ill judged and the competency of the RFL is surely in question now.

It is clear from this statement:
"I was approached in 2004 to start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009," said Samuel.
That Mr Samuel. Was approached by someone acting on behalf of the RFL to “start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009,". This shows the what the intention of the RFL was to entering the Celtic Crusaders into SL, and also shows the whole licencing process to have been a complete sham.

If the RFL were to kick 3 or 4 big name clubs out of the Championships, it would create a schism in the game and have much further implications than just the clubs in question. It would open up a massive can of worms and a debate that would hold the RFL and it's actions up to the light. I very much doubt that the RFL would want that anymore than Dracula would.

may have to if grounds not up to scratch as would be easy to challenge the ruling after given so many years.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:36 pm  

swifty62 wrote:

may have to if grounds not up to scratch as would be easy to challenge the ruling after given so many years.

I'm talking about clubs possibly being kicked out of the Championships for taking the RFL to court, as seemed to be implied by littlerich, and not SL clubs being kicked out.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:38 pm  

Pepe wrote:

I'm talking about clubs possibly being kicked out of the Championships for taking the RFL to court, as seemed to be implied by littlerich, and not SL clubs being kicked out.

I'm not saying they'd be kicked out but they may be shunned forever although as you initmated, it appears as though this is the path they're taking anyway.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:43 pm  

littlerich wrote:

I'm not saying they'd be kicked out but they may be shunned forever although as you initmated, it appears as though this is the path they're taking anyway.

Hence there's nothing to lose. If several clubs say enough is enough, and stand together it may, or may not, make the RFL think again. Either way it will make no difference. But this will be our last chance to make a stand. After that it'll be all over. There could be no further possibility of a challenge, because none of the Championship clubs would be anywhere near SL standards.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:53 pm  

Pepe wrote:

They were not challenged by any club left out, this time. That situation may well change next time. The quote below is damning evidence that the whole process was a fix from the start.
"I was approached in 2004 to start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009," said Samuel.



You could be right, but I think they will be challenged in court in the next round of licences, by some clubs. I don’t care about the agreement they have to sign in order to put in a bid. The RFL still have to run the process fairly and legally. Choosing a club almost entirely on location may not be an option next time.

We’ll just have to see what happens and if any club has the balls to take them on. After the next round of licences, I reckon there’ll be nothing to lose doing so. Because if you don't get in then you never will anyway.

you could be right but i think the RFL will do anything they can to get the game out into other parts of the country and even other countries, they wouldnt have brought toulouse into this league if they didt have plans to stick them in super league and if Barrow can sort some things out then there are the 2 places right there.

then you have further down the line of having a spanish club, maybe a cornish club, a scottish club. teams like Halifax and Widnes may never get back in with the way things are going.

: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:00 pm  

Pepe wrote:

It is clear from this statement:
"I was approached in 2004 to start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009," said Samuel.
That Mr Samuel. Was approached by someone acting on behalf of the RFL to “start up a club that was capable of getting into Super League by 2009,". This shows the what the intention of the RFL was to entering the Celtic Crusaders into SL, and also shows the whole licencing process to have been a complete sham.

Sssssshhhhhh No one is supposed to know this!

Licence.... what licence???