Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:02 pm  

It was always going to happen.

RL in London has been tried, tested and failed, year after year and I can imagine RFL saving them and carrying on that trend.

If London do go out of SL, I can see Toulouse getting into in, or a welsh team.

Halifax, Fev or a cumbria team must surely be the best thing to do?

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:44 pm  

If London can't start the 2014 season they should go with 13 teams and only relegate one team next year. There is no fair way to promote a Championship team under the present system and, at such short notice, no team could even hope to raise a team capable of competing.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:20 pm  

Chris.Taylor wrote:

Where have you been for the last few years?

Not Featherstone, that's for sure!

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:14 pm  

Should've had Bradford out, and them, cut to 12

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:27 pm  

Greetland8 wrote:

It was always going to happen.

RL in London has been tried, tested and failed, year after year and I can imagine RFL saving them and carrying on that trend.

If London do go out of SL, I can see Toulouse getting into in, or a welsh team.

Halifax, Fev or a cumbria team must surely be the best thing to do?

Think you are wrong there mate. Toulouse ? A Welsh team which one I wonder.

Re Fax Ski slope Fev or a Cumbrian team' please

London will be at Barnet FC next season and will be replaced by a team from the Championship the season after. I know which club it is too.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:22 pm  

Hudd-Shay wrote:

Not Featherstone, that's for sure!

No, please explain why not Fev.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:43 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

They have wasted money that came from SKY TV who we are reliably informed wanted a team in London...there would be no money if SKY hadn't got their expansion team.
Unless you had invented a growth drug, it was going to take 10 years + before Londoners became RL players.....given you northern jessies miss your mothers cooking too much to come south, Aussies were the only option.
Yet to see proof of this propping up.....London hasn't received a brass farthing over the usual SKY cash.
18 seasons and London have never finished last or in a relegation position.....and we were never protected from relegation until Licencing came in.....and that was the same for all teams.
.....mis-management from within and from the RFL have caused this....Melbourne Storm is how you expand into new territory.....
London has never been a beacon of anything....we've flattered to deceive a couple of times and we were starting to produce Londoners.....
The RFL have taken control of the junior development...
Without a pro team to aspire to, then the development will be buggered......
The RFL's cash cow weekend will not be lost..........a team will go up and be spared relegation for 1 year.....which will be challenged and therefore there will be no relegation in 2014.
Agree 100% with this.....the game is rotten from the top down and needs a major change.....let's hope IL and the rebels hold their nerve and Wood get's binned

Er starting with Sky wanting a London team well on the evidence of interest by the size of the crowds London have always got then why? How can a sport where the population have no interest be a 'seller' for a TV station? That argument is flawed.
As for money being pumped in well nobody can prove this as we don't get to see where clubs money comes from do we, do you???
Lets be honest if Richard Branson can't make it work then nobody can he pulled out and that tells us a lot!
As for relegation yer London aint finished last (nearly have though) but if they had they were protected from relegation by this obsession with a SL club in London so not a relevant argument that one.
As for players well I agree that it is harder to get players to move down south BUT the overseas player allowances were too high making it counter productive as the idea was to get local lads playing not a boat load of Aussies!
London still has a pro semi team in the Skolars and hopefully a phoenix Broncos in the same league which with good housekeeping could rise into the Championship which if they did I would welcome them.
But my resentment is the RFL wanting a London club in SL at any price when there obviously is not the appetite for it, accept the facts.
I say again does Gaelic football care it is only played in Ireland? No and they get decent crowds and own a huge stadium!

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:00 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

Er starting with Sky wanting a London team well on the evidence of interest by the size of the crowds London have always got then why? How can a sport where the population have no interest be a 'seller' for a TV station? That argument is flawed.

Don't ask me about the merits of it, but SKY apparently wanted it. BTW.....it is easier to sell advertising and sponsorship for a "national" comp rather than a Northern sport.

Fax4Life wrote:

As for money being pumped in well nobody can prove this as we don't get to see where clubs money comes from do we, do you???

So basically you have no proof of the "extra" payments that are often claimed but never shown? As for knowing where London's cash comes from.....yes, I do. It is information in the public domain.....as of 2011 we owed David Hughes over 7.5 million quid.....but as hard as you search, you'll never, ever find these back door payments to London....

Fax4Life wrote:

Lets be honest if Richard Branson can't make it work then nobody can he pulled out and that tells us a lot!

Branson had no idea what he was buying and like those before and after, he subscribed to the RFL version of marketing 101.....STICK POSTS IN THE GROUND AND ANNOUNCE A KO TIME....

Fax4Life wrote:

As for relegation yer London aint finished last (nearly have though) but if they had they were protected from relegation by this obsession with a SL club in London so not a relevant argument that one.

First up, close or "nearly" wins you no prizes and secondly, have you any proof that London were protected? I suggest you look in the same place you search for proof of the "extra" payments..

Fax4Life wrote:

As for players well I agree that it is harder to get players to move down south BUT they allowances were too high making it counter productive as the idea was to get local lads playing not a boat load of Aussies!

Local lads playing RL or local RL players.....there is a massive difference. LMS to Saints and Now Clubb to Wigan as well as Dixon being courted by Salford and Wigan is a sign it is starting to work.....but the Fed rule crippled London's chances of being competitive...

Fax4Life wrote:

London still has a pro semi team in the Skolars and hopefully a phoenix Broncos in the same league which with good housekeeping could rise into the Championship which if they did I would welcome them.

Check out the Skolars squad list and tell me how many are products of the London SL sides yoof and academy work.....80%+ is the answer. Without a pro-team, the pathway to professional Rugby in London and the SE isn't league...

Fax4Life wrote:

But my resentment is this the RFL wanting a London club in SL at any price when they obviously is not the appetite for it, accept the facts.

Your argument is based purely on crowds at the SL club..........London's presence in SL costs the other clubs about 0.005% of their turn over in lost ticket sales.....the away fans smokescreen has been shown to be exactly that, a smokescreen. Home crowds are London's problem and that isn't down to no interest...that is down to poop marketing and administration....

Fax4Life wrote:

I say again does Gaelic football care it is only played in Ireland? No and they get decent crowds and own a huge stadium!

WTF Do you think SKY want a northern sport on their books at the current rate they pay? RL got owned by loving Darts last season and SKY were happy to let the RLWC go.....and as for expansion and not caring, I have 2 words for you that show how it should be done.

MELBOURNE STORM.

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:22 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Don't ask me about the merits of it, but SKY apparently wanted it. BTW.....it is easier to sell advertising and sponsorship for a "national" comp rather than a Northern sport.

So basically you have no proof of the "extra" payments that are often claimed but never shown? As for knowing where London's cash comes from.....yes, I do. It is information in the public domain.....as of 2011 we owed David Hughes over 7.5 million quid.....but as hard as you search, you'll never, ever find these back door payments to London....

Branson had no idea what he was buying and like those before and after, he subscribed to the RFL version of marketing 101.....STICK POSTS IN THE GROUND AND ANNOUNCE A KO TIME....

First up, close or "nearly" wins you no prizes and secondly, have you any proof that London were protected? I suggest you look in the same place you search for proof of the "extra" payments..

Local lads playing RL or local RL players.....there is a massive difference. LMS to Saints and Now Clubb to Wigan as well as Dixon being courted by Salford and Wigan is a sign it is starting to work.....but the Fed rule crippled London's chances of being competitive...

Check out the Skolars squad list and tell me how many are products of the London SL sides yoof and academy work.....80%+ is the answer. Without a pro-team, the pathway to professional Rugby in London and the SE isn't league...

Your argument is based purely on crowds at the SL club..........London's presence in SL costs the other clubs about 0.005% of their turn over in lost ticket sales.....the away fans smokescreen has been shown to be exactly that, a smokescreen. Home crowds are London's problem and that isn't down to no interest...that is down to poop marketing and administration....

WTF Do you think SKY want a northern sport on their books at the current rate they pay? RL got owned by loving Darts last season and SKY were happy to let the RLWC go.....and as for expansion and not caring, I have 2 words for you that show how it should be done.

MELBOURNE STORM.

Deluded my friend, take a look at what you have put and one big fact stands out a Director pumped in £7.5 million now that says it all!
You are contradicting yourself regards players cos if some of the Skolars players are good enough they WILL get picked up by SL clubs and you have proven a couple in your post.
So what you are saying is its everybody else's fault cos there has not been enough marketing to make London Broncos a success, well the fact is all the marketing in the world sadly won't get a city who have more interest in NFL than RL come to watch, it is and always will be a Northern game is that so bad???
We have to wake up to the fact that in over 100 years it has been tried and tried and still expansion of our game has failed so again does it matter if you look at Gaelic football?
Sky have Scottish football and who watches that outside Scotland?

Re: Broncos announce intent to go into administration : Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:24 pm  

Oh and now you are also throwing in Melbourne Storm but I will throw back at you Perth!