: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:24 am  

there is no doubt black is not in good form, but there are plenty of players like that right now, i thought he was trying everythin yesterday it was just leroy joe who did a great job of closing him down. there aint many stand offs that we face who is as physical as joe and he did a number on black.

I personally thought there were a couple of players who played a fair bit worse than black yesterday.

For me Beswicks form is more concerning his defense is fantastic but he seems to be trying to hard in attack trying to force passes and miracle plays which when your 20 points up come off but very rarely do when your behind.

I think ultimately its all about the forwards, other teams are really slowing us down which seriously dents our gameplan which is why you have the dummy half knocking on cos they are trying to get out of there too quick. Watene is the only prop right now who is getting quick play the balls.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:14 pm  

he was seen in maggies on saturday night! just what you need with a game the day after!

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:32 pm  

Blueboy wrote:

he was seen in maggies on saturday night! just what you need with a game the day after!

i saw this but didnt see a need to make it public like this

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:46 pm  

black cant play behind a beaten pack which is something others have mentioned but one thing not mentioned is we dont use the forwards as much as we should.

i lost count of the amount of times Haley and Worricey picked the ball up and ran from dummy half on sunday. we never used the probs in that situation. we were never going to make enough yeards when we didnt use the forwards both wingers thought it was down to them to make the yards.

i dont know why when you have frank and said on the pitch you cant trust them with taking the ball up but they didnt get the ball nearlly enough to make the runs.

we did that towards the end of the game and wrench made 30 metres by running in at the line hard.

i think its a mentality against Haven they have a reputation of having a huge pack and we usually lose to them so automatically people that pick the ball up dont think that our pack cant beat theres and that is something we need to change if we meet Haven again in the play offs.

we have a stronger pack than we have had in years and we dont use them nearlly to the effect we should in my opinion.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:54 pm  

lmw wrote:

i saw this but didnt see a need to make it public like this

Dont see why not? If he was playing well and destroying teams then people wouldn't be bothered but as he's not and we contribute to his wages people might be interested. Maggies is a pretty busy place on a saturday night so Black will have given plenty of people the chance to see him.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:01 pm  

Blueboy wrote:

he was seen in maggies on saturday night! just what you need with a game the day after!

did not mean was drinking.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:13 pm  

swifty62 wrote:

did not mean was drinking.

No it doesn't, still doesn't come accross as very professional though. I doubt any giants or saints players were out in their respective town centres on saturday night!

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:15 pm  

Blueboy wrote:

No it doesn't, still doesn't come accross as very professional though. I doubt any giants or saints players were out in their respective town centres on saturday night!

....but probably out in another!!

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:27 pm  

Singling out individual players isn't fair, nor is it going to achieve anything.

Ben Black didn't lose us the game on Sunday, nor did Penky, but yes they had poor games. They weren't alone.

As a collective, we have been out of sorts for a month now.

Thursday's game is massive if we still have title aspirations.

Sort it out lads!!!! Please!

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:18 pm  

Blueboy wrote:

No it doesn't, still doesn't come accross as very professional though. I doubt any giants or saints players were out in their respective town centres on saturday night!

wanner bet!