Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:19 am  

hooligan27 wrote:

Full time is needed to challenge for top 4 again. Can't see London been crap again then Leigh Bradford or Bradford Salford either way that's two full time teams and Sheffield. Them four will be most likely to get the spots next season. We got lucky this year with Fev and London messing up.

Gotta be honest in that I agree with your logic. Most of us were surprised that we landed 4th against the odds. Can we expect the lads to bust their guts next year the same way they have this time? AI also think intensity and psychology play a big part in the intensity applied when you consider the result v Widnes compared with Sheff away?

We all want what is best and not to go for broke but this could be a critical decision unless the club have accepted that 2016 is going to be another consolidation season and of course further SL exile???

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:23 am  

Standidge wrote:

Steady on, the guy only posed the question and gave a few pro's and con's. Why have a go at him??
And to then remark that fans like him really get your goat is ridiculous!! He started a debate, a very topical debate. One where there are numerous opinions!!!

What's wrong with commenting about Sheffield and how they can manage FT with their crowds?? 850 at keepmoat yesterday and I'd say atleast 500 Halifax!!! So surely we can discuss the subject of how can they survive on those numbers??
Or should we all bow to your obviously better judgement??
People have different opinions, different views!!! Live with it!!!

Cheers Stan!

No really sure why Mr Jagger's daggers are out for me but I will chalk it off as being passion.

Is it a case of once-bitten with Halifax, for both football and rugby clubs creating paralysis-by-analysis? Sure we need to exercise caution but we also need to be bold if we are to return to the promised land? Someone mentioned that RM may not choose Fax as his life-club so I would rather we had a good stab while he is still here.

UTF! - literally ideally.....

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:33 am  

Just an aside but in terms of off the field success, I know this was not to everybody's taste but look back at rise of Bradford in their most recent pomp. Mostly driven by Peter Deakin - a time when every car in five seemed to have a woolly bully in the rear window and most local 4x4s had those sickening Bulls tyre covers! It was in yer face and pretty much fait accompli in terms of Fax v Bulls arm-wrestling for fans - result, anyone north of Boothtown sliding off to Odsal? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 44658.html Food for thought and perhaps some lessons to be learned from history?

Just an aside but in terms of off the field success, I know this was not to everybody's taste but look back at rise of Bradford in their most recent pomp. Mostly driven by Peter Deakin - a time when every car in five seemed to have a woolly bully in the rear window and most local 4x4s had those sickening Bulls tyre covers! It was in yer face and pretty much fait accompli in terms of Fax v Bulls arm-wrestling for fans - result, anyone north of Boothtown sliding off to Odsal? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 44658.html Food for thought and perhaps some lessons to be learned from history?

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:59 am  

I sat with Peter Deakin going to a CC semi- final at Hudds, his enthusiasm was evident to see and even as a Fax fan I have to say I was massively impressed with his vision and what he had already achieved. I said to him at the time that I felt the biggest mistake made at Fax was naming is Blue Sox as it was pretty much unmarketable in this area, he agreed.
What name would have worked, not sure, but Bulls sure as hell did for that time period.

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:38 am  

Encouraged wrote:

Cheers Stan!

No really sure why Mr Jagger's daggers are out for me but I will chalk it off as being passion.

Is it a case of once-bitten with Halifax, for both football and rugby clubs creating paralysis-by-analysis? Sure we need to exercise caution but we also need to be bold if we are to return to the promised land? Someone mentioned that RM may not choose Fax as his life-club so I would rather we had a good stab while he is still here.

UTF! - literally ideally.....

I wasn't having a go at you personally , sometimes Fax folk get so negative ,I think going full time is a must yet fans like Halifaxjohnny ,seem to be ready to accept 2nd best,we must be up there with the likes of Leigh and Bradford to compete, never settle for second best, next season will be harder than this year so we must be ready.

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:22 am  

Encouraged wrote: Just an aside but in terms of off the field success, I know this was not to everybody's taste but look back at rise of Bradford in their most recent pomp. Mostly driven by Peter Deakin - a time when every car in five seemed to have a woolly bully in the rear window and most local 4x4s had those sickening Bulls tyre covers! It was in yer face and pretty much fait accompli in terms of Fax v Bulls arm-wrestling for fans - result, anyone north of Boothtown sliding off to Odsal? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 44658.html Food for thought and perhaps some lessons to be learned from history? It wasn't mostly driven by Peter Deakin at all. Chris Caisley saw the potential impact of the Sky money and invested it in Brian Smith and a nearly new team. At the heart of that was a kid with boyband looks who brought legions of young girls (all in shirts with Robbie on them) to the ground for the first time ever. His emergence as a class player at the 96 CC semi-final was a pivotal moment. Deakin was innovative and important but as he states he was given a budget to work with. You can't market rubbish. Secondly, we weren't moribund, we'd put up as a good a fist as anyone through the Wigan years getting beat in semi-finals and finishing 2nd in the league once and had a core support of 5-6k throughout the 80s. There was a solid base to build on.

Encouraged wrote: Just an aside but in terms of off the field success, I know this was not to everybody's taste but look back at rise of Bradford in their most recent pomp. Mostly driven by Peter Deakin - a time when every car in five seemed to have a woolly bully in the rear window and most local 4x4s had those sickening Bulls tyre covers! It was in yer face and pretty much fait accompli in terms of Fax v Bulls arm-wrestling for fans - result, anyone north of Boothtown sliding off to Odsal? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 44658.html Food for thought and perhaps some lessons to be learned from history? It wasn't mostly driven by Peter Deakin at all. Chris Caisley saw the potential impact of the Sky money and invested it in Brian Smith and a nearly new team. At the heart of that was a kid with boyband looks who brought legions of young girls (all in shirts with Robbie on them) to the ground for the first time ever. His emergence as a class player at the 96 CC semi-final was a pivotal moment. Deakin was innovative and important but as he states he was given a budget to work with. You can't market rubbish. Secondly, we weren't moribund, we'd put up as a good a fist as anyone through the Wigan years getting beat in semi-finals and finishing 2nd in the league once and had a core support of 5-6k throughout the 80s. There was a solid base to build on.

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:25 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

It wasn't mostly driven by Peter Deakin at all. Chris Caisley saw the potential impact of the Sky money and invested it in Brian Smith and a nearly new team. At the heart of that was a kid with boyband looks who brought legions of young girls (all in shirts with Robbie on them) to the ground for the first time ever. His emergence as a class player at the 96 CC semi-final was a pivotal moment. Deakin was innovative and important but as he states he was given a budget to work with. You can't market rubbish.

Secondly, we weren't moribund, we'd put up as a good a fist as anyone through the Wigan years getting beat in semi-finals and finishing 2nd in the league once and had a core support of 5-6k throughout the 80s. There was a solid base to build on.

Interesting stuff and thanks for adding.

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:48 pm  

You're welcome. However, your tag line suggests you're under a misapprehension that Deakin 'stole' Halifax fans. What in actual fact he did was he looked at the new scenario - pin up star + summer rugby and saw a massive untapped demographic in the 6 to 14 year olds who had previously found RL cold and miserable. The vast majority had never watched RL before EVER but as awful as we have been and all the negative headlines etc we can still take 3000 to Blackpool and draw 9k to a dead rubber against Leigh.

Much like your period with Eadie and Anderson it was built on a very good team on the park and trips to Wembley. If a David Brook arrived, invested in a full time squad who topped the table and pushed for promotion you'd play to 5/6/7k again. Leigh have proved this and their crowd has a lot of teenagers in it who relate to the players in a way that football no longer allows.

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:17 pm  

I honestly believe that we'll see the playing field level out & calm down over next few seasons.
Fev, Leigh & Bradford have gone poop or bust. We've heard Fev rumours, Bradford have gone public about trimming their squad. It'll be interesting what Leigh do if they don't succeed.
Then you have London. They're not gonna survive on crowds of a few hundred unless they go part time.
Potentially, coming down we have permantly skint Wakefield or the mess that is Salford who with Koukash will stay full time but have his interference + mystery illnesses + contract disputes + 3 coaches a season or without him will have to cut costs drastically.
Nothing to fear part time, build the commercial side & go Full time when we're ready

Re: Full time? : Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:37 pm  

Mr Jagger wrote:

I wasn't having a go at you personally , sometimes Fax folk get so negative ,I think going full time is a must yet fans like Halifaxjohnny ,seem to be ready to accept 2nd best,we must be up there with the likes of Leigh and Bradford to compete, never settle for second best, next season will be harder than this year so we must be ready.

I don't think not wanting to go full time (this year) is settling for second best.
If I am to be accused of that then so are the board and management and I don't think anyone could accuse them of negativity.
I will go back to, I forget now what year it was when I and four others sat in a cafe in Toulouse with a Director and a stalwart member of our wonderful volunteers.
The RFL in their infinite wisdom had "asked" us to apply for a place in Super League.
The Club at the time pondered the fact that at that stage it might be a bridge too far, the funding was a problem. However to refuse might close the door for ever.
Application was made and Widnes got in.
I am not privy to anything else, only that discussion in Toulouse, but I firmly believe the club were a little releaved
This wasn't settling for second best, it was a realisation that Super League at that time could ruin Fax.
We were not ready.
In my very humble opinion going full time at the present is not the answer. We have a progressive board a brilliant up and coming coach and some very good players.
Let's give it another year to build on this years success, a success that some of us didn't believe possible half way through the season.
We are not ready for full time, Yet.
As I say it is only my humble opinion, but if that is settling for second best then I am guilty.