Are we lazy and offside as much as the 'Officials' say? : Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:49 pm  

So we are all annoyed at the officials today, we got pinged for offside how many times to Widnes's ZERO, a bit odd that ???
This makes me wonder are we a lazy team not retiring the 10 or are we too keen coming out of the line??

Or are we just unlucky???

I really don't know but its killing us either way, I cannot believe we were worse than Widnes for offside today but are we worse???
Anybody?

: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:10 pm  

Cullen has us very disciplined in terms of getting on side and not giving away any pens. You wouldnt believe how many times he's banged on about it, Fax have some big fellas who struggle to get back in defence at times thus you get penalised.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:56 am  

But it's mainly the backs and hookers who get pulled. No pun intended.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:27 am  

I've stopped short at criticising the officials at yesterday's match because it's extremely rare, infact I've never seen it, when watching a match as a neutral on the telly that a ref is biassed towards one team or the other. When a team is getting penalised to death and you hear cries of horror from the "victimised" set of fans in question, I can honestly say that the ref is actually right ... the offending team actually ARE offending. And ... as I've mentioned on another thread ... 2 of our tries were dodgy to say the least ... one try was definitely offside following a kick through and my immediate reaction when Black scored his try was that it was crossing. The touchie thought so too but the ref over ruled him. Don't get me wrong, I was as frustrated as anyone at the high penalty count against us and was spitting chips at the ref, but in calm light of day I don't think we can really blame the ref.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:37 am  

Tony Fax wrote:

I've stopped short at criticising the officials at yesterday's match because it's extremely rare, infact I've never seen it, when watching a match as a neutral on the telly that a ref is biassed towards one team or the other. When a team is getting penalised to death and you hear cries of horror from the "victimised" set of fans in question, I can honestly say that the ref is actually right ... the offending team actually ARE offending. And ... as I've mentioned on another thread ... 2 of our tries were dodgy to say the least ... one try was definitely offside following a kick through and my immediate reaction when Black scored his try was that it was crossing. The touchie thought so too but the ref over ruled him. Don't get me wrong, I was as frustrated as anyone at the high penalty count against us and was spitting chips at the ref, but in calm light of day I don't think we can really blame the ref.

I dont blame the ref whatsoever for our loss, we had many opportunites to win the game.

However

What really riled me, and the people sat around me was the fact that there was at least 7 high tackles in the first 15 minutes that went completely unpunished.

Our offsides that were penalised, in my opinion, were offide, so we should have no issue with that whatsoever, but there were many, many similary positions from Widnes that went completely unpunished.

Said was penalised for not playing the ball correctly, which gave Widnes a penalty some 15 yards away from our line. There were many many other simlar plays of the ball from both Widnes and Halifax throughout the game.

Like I said I dont blame the ref, but what we, as spectators, want is some level of consistency. If he is going to penalise one offence then he has to be conistent and penalise all other such offenses.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:05 am  

I honestly thought the ref was very poor yesterday, not biased but poor! He never gave a penalty for not being square at the play of the ball even though both side were hardly ever square! He also missed numerous tackles around the neck as well as 2 or 3 crossing incidents! The list goes on and on! He can't be blamed for the result however as we just blew too many of the chances we created! Calmer heads are needed in certain situations!!

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:34 am  

To Be Honest, we've been getting pulled for offside quite a bit recently, are we trying to get away from the line a bit too quick?

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:45 am  

Tony Fax wrote:

I've stopped short at criticising the officials at yesterday's match because it's extremely rare, infact I've never seen it, when watching a match as a neutral on the telly that a ref is biassed towards one team or the other. When a team is getting penalised to death and you hear cries of horror from the "victimised" set of fans in question, I can honestly say that the ref is actually right ... the offending team actually ARE offending. And ... as I've mentioned on another thread ... 2 of our tries were dodgy to say the least ... one try was definitely offside following a kick through and my immediate reaction when Black scored his try was that it was crossing. The touchie thought so too but the ref over ruled him. Don't get me wrong, I was as frustrated as anyone at the high penalty count against us and was spitting chips at the ref, but in calm light of day I don't think we can really blame the ref.

A remarkable post.. well done. Brutally honest.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:11 am  

I can accept us being pulled up for being offside, what I cant accept is the ref not penalising them for the same offence. No team will go through a game without being offside.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:46 pm  

griffax wrote:

I can accept us being pulled up for being offside, what I cant accept is the ref not penalising them for the same offence. No team will go through a game without being offside.

And umpteen high shots on Gleese and Black who they were clearly targeting. Having said that, we had enough chances to win we just had no luck.