Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:53 pm  

Brew wrote:

Does it? I've never heard a Huddersfield Town fan say a good word about him after his tenure with the club.

He's a businessman, He'll want a return on what he puts in.

And that's if he's still around in 4-5 years time

Well if he’s not around in 4-5 years he won’t be getting anything in return!

Where will the Shay, CMBC and both clubs be in 4-5 years if things stay as they are?

He’s a business man who’s already made his fortune that loves rugby that’s his motivation and his track record with the Giants shows he’s put far more in financially than he’s taken out who’s not doing it primarily for business reasons.

It’s a rugby decision and won’t part of his return on his investment be the Giants better meeting the IMG Super League requirements than where they are?

At least that’s one of the reasons he’s stating why he’s thinking of doing it.

We’ve mentioned before his side of the story with Huddersfield Town but even if it what the supporters claim was all true and it works out the same way for FC Town that would be just a bonus.

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:46 pm  

Brew wrote:

Does it? I've never heard a Huddersfield Town fan say a good word about him after his tenure with the club.

I dont dispute there are differing opinions about his time at HTAFC. He saved the club and then protected his outlay by transfering the shares in the stadium which obviously soured the football supporters opinion of him.

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:17 pm  

Bubba wrote:

I dont dispute there are differing opinions about his time at HTAFC. He saved the club and then protected his outlay by transfering the shares in the stadium which obviously soured the football supporters opinion of him.

It's also widely suspected he took out more than he put in over the time of his ownership.

It seems there is little other option than the Ken Davy option, we'll just have to see how it pans out. Neither Halifax club are in a realistic position to change their status from tenants to owners. So for the foreseeable will be at the mercy of someone else

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:28 pm  

Brew wrote:

It's also widely suspected he took out more than he put in over the time of his ownership.

It seems there is little other option than the Ken Davy option, we'll just have to see how it pans out. Neither Halifax club are in a realistic position to change their status from tenants to owners. So for the foreseeable will be at the mercy of someone else

If the Council do take the KD option.

There is still the issue of whether David Bosomworth will support it given the potential issues in having three teams using the pitch plus the fact that FCHT (plus the Panthers) will be lumbered with £150k of debt for the pitch works.

In the Council press release, he warmly welcomed the proposal but suggested "it is expected more detailed discussions will take place when clarity on any proposals allows decisions to be made."

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:48 pm  

What power of veto does Bosomworth, or anyone at the Panthers have?

I can imagine they can both refuse the £150k debt to be imposed on them. And KD has only said rents would remain the same for 12 months, so whats to stop him putting a massive hike on that as well as the "loan".

Seems a lot of rugby fans are quite happy with the proposal, I don't read enough FCHT stuff to know what their fans think.Personally I think its a terrible idea but with the council wanting to "dispose" of The Shay I dont see any other outcome currently

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:23 pm  

I think KD feels it is vital to have the support of both clubs. Plus, if one or both clubs didnt support it, it makes the issue more of a political football (ignore the pun) for the Council. So, I wouldnt say the two clubs can necessarily veto the deal, but they can certainly influence the final decision.

Ive spoken to a few football/rugby supporters in person who were reasonably excited about the proposal. But after explaining the potential issues, they have become more cautious. Others just want the pitch sorting and view it with short-termism - short term gain and worry about any potential long term pain further down the line.

I think back to Tony Abbott's failed attempts to buy the Shay. Only a few years later he was declared bankrupt and banned from being a company director. Had he owned the stadium, god knows what would have happened. This is just an example of why I am not in favour of private ownership, regardless of who it is or how honourable their intentions may be.

Re: The Shay. : Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:03 pm  

Brew wrote:

What power of veto does Bosomworth, or anyone at the Panthers have?

I can imagine they can both refuse the £150k debt to be imposed on them. And KD has only said rents would remain the same for 12 months, so whats to stop him putting a massive hike on that as well as the "loan".

Seems a lot of rugby fans are quite happy with the proposal, I don't read enough FCHT stuff to know what their fans think.Personally I think its a terrible idea but with the council wanting to "dispose" of The Shay I dont see any other outcome currently

The first two points are linked to the clubs being the current tenants legally protected as much as possible and CMBC’s power over planning permission and change of use.

If Davy or his predecessors put on a massive hike then it would likely force them out and he wouldn’t see any rent or the £150 grand.

Yes they would have to find somewhere else to play but Davy & Co to have any income from the Shay would either have to stay there themselves or be left with a stadium they could do nothing with once they moved out.

I would be reasoning / arguing with him that since much of the funding for the pitch and floodlighting would be coming from grants that would directly benefit him as well as the clubs surely he can write that ( for him ) small amount off as a financial contribution to it all.

On the third point from who I’ve spoken to it’s more of the best deal from a poor hand than their personal choice.