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Re: Railway strikes Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:37 pm  
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Superblue wrote:
Give over :D
White van Brexit man lol

By the time that 2% has been added to £40/hr earnings and paid by the agent into the offshore company account, and then 1/3rd of it transferred back into the U.K. company bank account as UK declared earnings , with expenses and tax fiddled it’s worth 20%, and with no corporation tax or income tax to pay.. :D

Criminals :D

I'm not a union official so earn nowhere near £40 an hour. HTH
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Re: Railway strikes Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:38 pm  
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wotsupcas wrote:
I'm not a union official so earn nowhere near £40 an hour. HTH
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Of course you don’t, but the offshore Ltd company account does :lol:
Re: Railway strikes Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:01 pm  
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Well, Lynch has certainly exposed the media for the establishment mouthpieces they are.
Re: Railway strikes Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:45 pm  
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Jack Burton wrote:
Well, Lynch has certainly exposed the media for the establishment mouthpieces they are.


Don’t forget the Conservative sacrificial junior ministers. It’s something of a record being called out as being a liar 17 times on tv
Re: Railway strikes Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:22 am  
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This is an interesting dispute and comrade Lynch is a breath of fresh air.

The unions make one good point - the share of profits is out of kilter - you cannot have huge profits and shareholder distribution and then say we can't pay the workers more money.

On the other hand you can't have no compulsary redundancies - effectively saying all workers have a job for life even if that role has been modernised out - that show the union in bad light and gives Boris and his mates ammunition against Labour and their close connection with the unions.

Boris needs a summer of union strikes - it will distract from all his other behavioural mistakes.


I don’t agree about the comment about you can’t have no compulsory redundancies.
You can make jobs redundant- Many who have worked a long time will take non-compulsory for the package. If jobs no longer exist then you offer to retrain those workers elsewhere. It’s more than doable.
The modernisation that the government is talking about makes it sound as if they are putting in fancy new equipment- what it means in reality is people working more weekends for no more money.
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Re: Railway strikes Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:38 am  
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The strikes on the railways are just the tip of the ice berg. There is a summer of discontent coming.
Re: Railway strikes Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:44 am  
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The strikes on the railways are just the tip of the ice berg. There is a summer of discontent coming.


YEP. teachers, nurses and other nhs workers next.

I used to work in education. The pay isn't bad as a teacher on the face of it - but the workload is absolutely shocking.
I would easily be putting in 60 hours a week in a 'normal' week, and during the "holidays" that you all think we get I would work at least half of those. We would be expected to come in and do revision sessions during holidays, after school sessions etc, parents evenings, open evenings, so really when you work it out you are earning minimum wage. And don't even get me started on the bullying culture that exists on staff in many schools. and if you work in a 'tough' school its even harder.

all that is before COVID, I really don't know how my ex colleagues have dragged themselves through the last two and a half years. I look back know and think F*** what I put up with!

nurses are in a similar boat with shortages and all the extra they are having to do.
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Re: Railway strikes Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:23 pm  
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jools wrote:
YEP. teachers, nurses and other nhs workers next.

I used to work in education. The pay isn't bad as a teacher on the face of it - but the workload is absolutely shocking.
I would easily be putting in 60 hours a week in a 'normal' week, and during the "holidays" that you all think we get I would work at least half of those. We would be expected to come in and do revision sessions during holidays, after school sessions etc, parents evenings, open evenings, so really when you work it out you are earning minimum wage. And don't even get me started on the bullying culture that exists on staff in many schools. and if you work in a 'tough' school its even harder.

all that is before COVID, I really don't know how my ex colleagues have dragged themselves through the last two and a half years. I look back know and think F*** what I put up with!

nurses are in a similar boat with shortages and all the extra they are having to do.


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Re: Railway strikes Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:51 pm  
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After watching all the media clips I was a paid up member of the fan club and ready to get the Lynch t-shirt. But then I saw him asked if he regretted urging his membership to vote to leave the EU, and he said he did not.

Now personally left wing brexiters make my skin crawl. We already know right-wing littler England types have a warped world view but for the left to be quitlings is utterly disgusting. It is perfectly legitimate for socialists to be ideologically opposed to the EU as constructed. However, they have a duty to ask themselves a fundamental question, is the working man and woman better off in the EU or out of it. I'd argue that if he thinks the working classes are better off out of the EU he's either a liar or he's unhinged.

So the fact that Lynch was a committed brexiter back then, and he is unapologetic for it to this day, more than cancels out the goodwill I had based on his sparring. A little Friday rant as I'm way too hot.
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Re: Railway strikes Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:28 am  
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wotsupcas wrote:
I'm in the private sector and I'll have to survive on a 2% increase.
Public sector workers on average are better paid than those in the private, especially in low skilled jobs.
They can also retire earlier and on better pensions. Oh and on average they work fewer hours and have longer holidays.
But apart from that they are really suffering :D



From someone who works on the railways...
Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise. But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions. An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked.
Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half. They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn. But they want us to work more of them. This is their modernisation they talk about. Not technology, we embrace technology and have seen more and more of it in recent years. They also wish to fire and re-hire the operative grades and bring them back under a new job title but on £9000 a year less. They also want them to use their own vehicles to get to work sites, this when fuel is at its highest. They will also be pooled when currently they are part of the team. The press are painting this to be about pay above all else. It is not. But now we’ve said sod them we are going to demand better. I wish everyone could see past the government controlled media smear


So we have an effectively privatised rail system atm with the government giving railways £16 billion. Rather than running the railways for a non profit format they are reducing wages and terms of employment so they can increase shareholders bonuses.

Last year £800 million pound of shareholders profits was paid out effectively the tax payer putting £800 million into the pension pots of hedge fund managers
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