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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"Sadly not only are you wrong the evidence says you are wrong they are not all economic migrants'"
Dehumanising others is Right Wing 101. Generating fear and finding a way to blame the poor for all that's wrong with the world, rather than their policies, is how they cling to power.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"However people arrive in the UK, if the then try to claim asylum, they are asylum seekers.
Whether anyone should be able to travel through multiple countries, before claiming asylum, is a different question.
You have to "smile" about the choice of Rwanda, when the government over there have said that there is a shortage of
young males because they have had so many leave the country in recent years ??
The elephant in the room being that it's not a great place to live.'"
No they shouldn't be able to travel through other safe countries to claim asylum in their county of choice. It shouldn't be like choosing your annual holiday destination.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Dehumanising others is Right Wing 101. Generating fear and finding a way to blame the poor for all that's wrong with the world, rather than their policies, is how they cling to power.'"
They are not that poor that they can't afford to pay criminal gangs thousands of pounds.
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| Quote wotsupcas="wotsupcas"No they shouldn't be able to travel through other safe countries to claim asylum in their county of choice. It shouldn't be like choosing your annual holiday destination.'"
Indeed.
However, there's a fair bit of desperation there, to live in the camps around Calais and then risk your life to get to the UK.
It does make you wonder what the UK has, thet, say, France or Germany (or any other EU country) hasn't got.
After all, once someone has made it to an EU destination, they could pick any other country within that bloc and many 1000's do.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Indeed.
However, there's a fair bit of desperation there, to live in the camps around Calais and then risk your life to get to the UK.
[uIt does make you wonder what the UK has, thet, say, France [/uor Germany (or any other EU country) hasn't got.
After all, once someone has made it to an EU destination, they could pick any other country within that bloc and many 1000's do.'"
It's quite simple really, can't speak for other Countries but France makes it far more difficult to obtain asylum than the UK does, the process is more complicated and takes a lot longer, that's why they choose the UK. HTH.
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| Quote wotsupcas="wotsupcas"No they shouldn't be able to travel through other safe countries to claim asylum in their county of choice. It shouldn't be like choosing your annual holiday destination.'"
Of course until we left the EU we were part of a system which allowed us to return people arriving in the UK to France or other EU countries. As part of taking back control we no longer have that option.
So we'd need the UK to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention which explicitly states there is no 'first country' rule.
How far are people willing to go to make the UK a pariah country? It's not as if, in context, the UK has very many asylum seekers in the first place despite what the Mail and Express tell their readers.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Of course until we left the EU we were part of a system which allowed us to return people arriving in the UK to France or other EU countries. As part of taking back control we no longer have that option.
So we'd need the UK to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention which explicitly states there is no 'first country' rule.
How far are people willing to go to make the UK a pariah country? It's not as if, in context, the UK has very many asylum seekers in the first place despite what the Mail and Express tell their readers.'"
How dare you destroy a Rant with Facts
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"How dare you destroy a Rant with Facts'"
I see your erectile dysfunction is still a problem then.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Indeed.
It does make you wonder what the UK has, thet, say, France or Germany (or any other EU country) hasn't got.'"
A big factor is probably language. There are more English speakers either as a first or second language than any other; it will make resettlement significantly easier if you can speak the language of that country. Leaving out the ease of the processes as I have no knowledge, I think it's probably appealing to go to somewhere which already has a sizeable community of people from the same country and we are quite a welcoming country anyway - despite what some on this forum would have you believe.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"I see your erectile dysfunction is still a problem then.'"
See your still giving opinions and defending one side even though you don't really want to be involved (Honestly)
Anything to contribute?
PS
Me & Conroy (Who BTW has had a name change on RLFans) used to have Erections every home game.
Sometimes I'd have one on my own, sometimes He'd help me with mine & Sometimes I'd help him with his
The Flags wouldn't go up on their own
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| Quote secondstanza="secondstanza"A big factor is probably language. There are more English speakers either as a first or second language than any other; it will make resettlement significantly easier if you can speak the language of that country. Leaving out the ease of the processes as I have no knowledge, I think it's probably appealing to go to somewhere which already has a sizeable community of people from the same country and we are quite a welcoming country anyway - despite what some on this forum would have you believe.'"
France and Germany also have such communities.
Germany take far more asylum seekers/ immigrants than we do in the UK, maybe France too but, I'm not certain ?
In the Tory press, this is portrayed as a UK only issue, when it absolutely isn't.
The whole concept of remaining in the country where you were born no longer seems to apply and in fairness, why should anyone settle with the hand they are dealt, if they believe they can have a better life elsewhere.
The problem is that it's people can see how other nations function (internet etc) and if they can, why wouldn't they try to improve their lot ?
The flip side being that the almost 8 billion people cant all live in the same place.
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"See your still giving opinions and defending one side even though you don't really want to be involved (Honestly)
[uAnything to contribute[/u?'"
I just have done below if it helps and it's not my opinion it's a fact, It's not rocket science it's there for you if you care to research it though I doubt you have the capability, which side am I defending when I say it's easier to get asylum in the UK ? bet you've got plenty of O. levels
Quote Jukesays="chissitt"It's quite simple really, can't speak for other Countries but France makes it far more difficult to obtain asylum than the UK does, the process is more complicated and takes a lot longer, that's why they choose the UK. HTH.'"
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