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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:12 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
The danger is the Tories get rid of Johnson and then get to paint the new leader somehow as a fresh start. Unless it's a complete outsider they will of course all have the blood of the last 12 disastrous years on their hands - but that's not how people's minds work. Labour need to be clearer and more authentic than they have been so far.


They'll probably elect Jacob Rees-Mogg as leader and call him the anti-establishment choice.
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:40 am  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
The way he is performing just not being de Pfeffel looks like a vote winner.


You’d assume so. But if the Tories get shut, it becomes much less relevant… though the longer they wait, the more it’ll look like a cynical electoral calculation than being about standards in public life.

There’s ~644k 2019 Brexit Party voters floating about too.

You look at the key roles in the Shadow cabinet (leader, chancellor, home and foreign secretaries), both now and under Corbyn at the last election, and there’s not a lot of representation from outside London and the South East. McDonnell grew up Liverpool but was deep in London politics from the early 80s. Cooper has a Yorkshire seat but grew up in Hampshire. Nandy did have a spell shadowing Foreign in between, as well. But the shift has been from more working class London-types to more Oxford-educated London-types. While London largely sees itself as aspirational and the engine of the UK economy, much of the rest of the country sees it as divorced from them and parasitical.

I’ve seen it noted that the Labour mayors of Manchester (Burnham) and West Yorkshire (Brabin) weren’t invited to speak at the last party conference, whereas the mayor of London (Khan) was. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been, but when you’ve lost so much of your northern heartlands, you’d think there’d be more effort to reconnect. Like they did in Scotland… oh.
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:15 am  
The dreaded vote of confidence is set for today, after more than 54 Tory MP's submitted their letters..
The word on the streets is that he wont go quietly so, we may have a "lame duck" PM until the next election.

#prayfotboris
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:04 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Labour need to be clearer and more authentic than they have been so far.

Is that a criticism :)

What about your merry lot, have you given up on them? to be honest they aren't a reliable bunch :(
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:34 am  
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Is that a criticism :)

What about your merry lot, have you given up on them? to be honest they aren't a reliable bunch :(

I think gaining the most seats at the most recent set of elections and somehow being in with a chance of winning another of the safest Tory parliamentary seats in the country at Tiverton & Honiton in a couple of weeks indicate the Lib Dems are ticking along just fine thanks. I'd be more concerned with your lot if I were you.
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:09 pm  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
I think gaining the most seats at the most recent set of elections and somehow being in with a chance of winning another of the safest Tory parliamentary seats in the country at Tiverton & Honiton in a couple of weeks indicate the Lib Dems are ticking along just fine thanks. I'd be more concerned with your lot if I were you.

Yes I get your point about my lot it is a bit worrying, it was comforting though that we beat a good Hull side albeit through an overtime drop goal, hopefully we can keep up the good work against Wire next week, Oh and fwiw the only seats I'll be bothered about are the ones with bums on them next Sunday if that helps :D
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:01 pm  
It will certainly be an interesting vote this evening.
If there are 100+ votes against Boris, he's in trouble.

There seems little doubt that he will "win" the vote but, he's likely to resemble a wounded Hippo in the Serengeti, staggering about, hoping to keep going until the dart takes full effect.
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:17 pm  
Who will be the Conservative sacrificial lamb tomorrow doing the rounds of the tv studios, my vote would be Grant Shapps.
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:57 am  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
Who will be the Conservative sacrificial lamb tomorrow doing the rounds of the tv studios, my vote would be Grant Shapps.


Dead duck or gone, it's a win / win

I had to smile at JRM and his reaction to the vote.
It was worse than the Teresa May vote of confidence and yet, when he wanted her out (and Boris in), her result meant that "she had to go" and now, with more discontent within the Parliamentary Tory party, it's an "emphatic result". oops

Maybe he's using some old school imperial measurement of success now :lol: :lol:
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Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:13 am  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
Who will be the Conservative sacrificial lamb tomorrow doing the rounds of the tv studios, my vote would be Grant Shapps.

Would you be happy with him.
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