Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:50 am  

ColD wrote:

Was the whole point of lockdown not to save lives

The other elephant in the room is not Covid, it's all the other diseases we've been avoiding. Hospitals fill with people every year without covid being around.
There is, for example, significant concern over the other circulating corona viruses we've been avoiding. Not to worry anyone but some of those are really nasty and can potentially avoid the immune response because of covid or mask the immune system so it doesn't effectively deal with covid.

Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:46 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Not at all it is impractical almost impossible to achieve when society behaves with any degree of normality - how are kids supposed to observe that - let's get real here.

Well, you've completely got me there ZZB, what on earth are you on about ?
(my previous post was about the narrative being set by the politicians and the media)

Kids, largely, will follow the example set by their parents, friends, teachers etc. and although there are some that dont confirm, the majority usually do.

Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:44 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Well, you've completely got me there ZZB, what on earth are you on about ?
(my previous post was about the narrative being set by the politicians and the media)

Kids, largely, will follow the example set by their parents, friends, teachers etc. and although there are some that dont confirm, the majority usually do.

There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.

As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.

Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.

Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:28 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.

As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.

Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.

Sal in young students enjoying themselves shocker!
I'm more impressed and interested that you may have visited an Aldis.

Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:35 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Sal in young students enjoying themselves shocker!
I'm more impressed and interested that you may have visited an Aldis.

Completely agree - crack on - they need to enjoy life when they don't have any responsibility

Aldi - wife loves the middle aisles I never thought I would need a deep sea diving suit - but that's another story

Re: "freedom day" : Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:48 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Tlet's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September.

I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this.

Re: "freedom day" : Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:25 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.

As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.

Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.

Are you talking about the same young people who, a short while ago, you said, didn't catch the virus, couldn't pass it to their lecturers and should be allowed to carry on as normal AND when I suggested that they should have a phased return to Uni, you suggested that this would be wrong.
I have to say that the "B" side to your thoughts is very different from the "A" side.

It's seems that you are dutifully following your leader, as he seems not to care and we are shortly to have an absolute free for all, with case now being allowed to increase at will and everything reliant on the vaccination program.

It may work but, if it doesnt and we import further new strains, which seems inevitable, what then ??

Re: "freedom day" : Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:54 am  

With an estimated 100,000 new cases a day it is more likely that we will create an home grown variation which we export to other countries.

Re: "freedom day" : Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:42 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Are you talking about the same young people who, a short while ago, you said, didn't catch the virus, couldn't pass it to their lecturers and should be allowed to carry on as normal AND when I suggested that they should have a phased return to Uni, you suggested that this would be wrong.
I have to say that the "B" side to your thoughts is very different from the "A" side.

It's seems that you are dutifully following your leader, as he seems not to care and we are shortly to have an absolute free for all, with case now being allowed to increase at will and everything reliant on the vaccination program.

It may work but, if it doesnt and we import further new strains, which seems inevitable, what then ??

You need to put things into context - my point was about student life and yes they should have been allowed to pass it around amongst themselves. Lectures were all on line so unless it passes down a telephone line not much chance of a lecturer getting it from a student. How many students got seriously ill or died - miniscule amounts compared to those infected. Education is hugely important in any civilised society it is how it progresses - stopping it is a disaster.

There will always be new strains - so do we lockdown hard indefinitely just in case? Australia has one of the strictest border controls in the world yet they have still managed to get the Delhi Belly version.

So your view is what - we sacrifice hospitality and travel for what exactly - the vaccination program was never intended to break the link it was always intended to lessen the impact when you catch it which it quite clearly does.

People die of Flu in significant quantities every year but we don't close everything down and force masks on everyone.- people die do we stop society behaving normally because 1,500 people a day die - it is a very sad but its the reality.

We have to learn to live with this virus as we have others - Spanish Flu/Smallpox etc. or would you rather we well kids not going to school, fit people not going to work - where does this all end?

Re: "freedom day" : Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:53 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote: I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this. I think you are wrong - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lysis.html I don't have a issue with young people doing what they do - good luck to them - you are only young once. The idea that they will act responsibly is delusional.

The Ghost of '99 wrote: I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this. I think you are wrong - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lysis.html I don't have a issue with young people doing what they do - good luck to them - you are only young once. The idea that they will act responsibly is delusional.