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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:50 am  
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Once again you are talking out of your booty, just like your "trusted" leader, Bojo.
Do you not think that tax increases would impact me, just as much as the next person.

Nobody "likes" paying tax, nobody.
However, you have to take issue with politicians who talk about "levelling up" and do the exact opposite.

I notice that record numbers are now eligible for free school meals though but, I'm not sure that this is in line with his manifesto.


What has what I said mentioned tax increases - the point was about increasing minimum wage and how the cost is either absorbed or passed on - please keep up
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:52 am  
wrencat1873 wrote:
Another insightful contribution, thanks.

My pleasure
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:02 pm  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Not true, putting Corporation Tax back to where it should be (25%) would generate billions; most UK companies don't avoid paying their taxes.

I also think income tax on higher earners should be nudged back up as well, lower levels are fine as they are although after I'd be willing to let some of the upper banding degrade slightly.

IHT take is about £5bn a year and is ridiculously enforced with the rich paying almost nothing thanks to efficient use of the myriad loopholes. Start to close them up and keep it tightly enforced and we'll start to see some progress.


CT represents about 7.5% of the whole tax take increasing by 5% is going to make a tiny impact. Taxing profits on international businesses needs international collaboration and serious transfer pricing rules.

The highest paid already contribute the vast majority of the IT take - but I agree it could increased.

IHT - so small <1% it isn't worth a discussion.
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:32 pm  
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There also seems to be a large chunk of the population that would like to see the pre-Covid status quo on freedoms never returning - some notable posters on here DG, 99 being amongst them.

Jeez you really are a hard core Tory. Making up bare faced lies, pretending that people who have policy differences are in fact threats to our ways of life.

So we're "against freedom" now are we? It's not even worth asking about that since you just made it up.

Increasing the wages paid to certain sectors who have been fundamental to the country getting through the last 15 months is not a threat to our way of life. Sticking 2 or 3% to take corporation tax back up to where it was in the Major years or tinkering with income tax bandings is not a threat to our way of life. Suggesting we might like to fund our healthcare system to the same levels as other western countries - who have commensurately better health outcomes - is not a threat to our way of life.

What is destabilsing to any civilised country is when one group of politicians and their supporters decide that what is politically advantageous for them is to smear people who suggest different policies to them. To pretend that the opposition aren't patriots, that they don't love our country or don't believe in the freedoms or ways of life that our country is built upon.
That's exactly what your recent post suggested and it's as loathsome when people it on here do it as it is when it's in The Sun or the Daily Mail.
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:55 pm  
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My pleasure


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Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:06 pm  
Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
What has what I said mentioned tax increases - the point was about increasing minimum wage and how the cost is either absorbed or passed on - please keep up


I was replying to this:

"I guarantee that if either of them were impacted they would be up in arms - Ghost trots out the Socialist spew but does from his lofty seat the same will said of Wrencat - hypocrites both"

If you mean corporation tax, then yes, I and my company are impacted and if you are referring to personal taxation then, yes, once again I would be impacted.

Sorry, Tory boy but, paying ones share isn't just the prerogative of the Troy supporting people like yourself. Mind you, the blue side of the nation tend to prefer off shore hideaways, like the a certain Mr Cameron - he's one of yours isn't he. :oops:

Maybe you could have a look at the gentleman in this article too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 33231.html

Of course, there's nothing illegal going on here but, it's certainly not a great example for the masses

As for hypocrite, not me, perhaps you should look in the mirror old boy :SUBMISSION:
Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
What has what I said mentioned tax increases - the point was about increasing minimum wage and how the cost is either absorbed or passed on - please keep up


I was replying to this:

"I guarantee that if either of them were impacted they would be up in arms - Ghost trots out the Socialist spew but does from his lofty seat the same will said of Wrencat - hypocrites both"

If you mean corporation tax, then yes, I and my company are impacted and if you are referring to personal taxation then, yes, once again I would be impacted.

Sorry, Tory boy but, paying ones share isn't just the prerogative of the Troy supporting people like yourself. Mind you, the blue side of the nation tend to prefer off shore hideaways, like the a certain Mr Cameron - he's one of yours isn't he. :oops:

Maybe you could have a look at the gentleman in this article too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 33231.html

Of course, there's nothing illegal going on here but, it's certainly not a great example for the masses

As for hypocrite, not me, perhaps you should look in the mirror old boy :SUBMISSION:
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:37 am  
Well as a longstanding LD, I'm surprised and pleased that they overturned a huge majority of 16,000 in yesterday's Chesham and Amersham by-election. The polarised political debate sometimes forgets that it isn't a straight shoot-out between "Wizened Socialists" and Tories in lots of the country, and that if the blue walls start to crumble, you might be looking for LD victories as the first signs. For many people in the South-East and South West even if they are beginning to lose faith with the Conservatives, it would be completely unpalatable to vote Labour as proven by the staggering 600 votes they got in the by-election.
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 am  
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Well as a longstanding LD, I'm surprised and pleased that they overturned a huge majority of 16,000 in yesterday's Chesham and Amersham by-election. The polarised political debate sometimes forgets that it isn't a straight shoot-out between "Wizened Socialists" and Tories in lots of the country, and that if the blue walls start to crumble, you might be looking for LD victories as the first signs. For many people in the South-East and South West even if they are beginning to lose faith with the Conservatives, it would be completely unpalatable to vote Labour as proven by the staggering 600 votes they got in the by-election.

Quite, enjoyed watching that one come in, the noises from inside the Lib Dems had been positive but I have to admit I didn't really believe it.

Obviously it's only a by election but it should be a strong reminder to the Tories that going all in on culture war stuff and trashing the economy through Brexit is not going to go down well in very Blue, prosperous areas of the country which often voted Remain.

Whether many of these seats are too Blue to be at serious risk in a General Election with divided opposition we'll see but we've already seen the Tories lose ground in some better-off, better-educated areas as well as some suburban seats. The demographic time bomb facing the Tories long term is also quite horrendous.
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:20 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Quite, enjoyed watching that one come in, the noises from inside the Lib Dems had been positive but I have to admit I didn't really believe it.

Obviously it's only a by election but it should be a strong reminder to the Tories that going all in on culture war stuff and trashing the economy through Brexit is not going to go down well in very Blue, prosperous areas of the country which often voted Remain.

Whether many of these seats are too Blue to be at serious risk in a General Election with divided opposition we'll see but we've already seen the Tories lose ground in some better-off, better-educated areas as well as some suburban seats. The demographic time bomb facing the Tories long term is also quite horrendous.


I know Labour appear to have a written constitution that means they have to always field a candidate, but I suspect that given that the labour vote dropped from over 7k to just 600, that there was a nod and a wink going on here from pragmatic local Labour, to ensure that every vote went to a progressive party capable of beating the Tories. That approach has to be nationwide and reciprocal. It really dismayed me to see us being called "Yellow Tories" at the last election by people that should know better, and just zero appetite to work together for the greater good.
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Re: Wizened old socialists : Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:04 pm  
Pumpetypump wrote:
I know Labour appear to have a written constitution that means they have to always field a candidate, but I suspect that given that the labour vote dropped from over 7k to just 600, that there was a nod and a wink going on here from pragmatic local Labour, to ensure that every vote went to a progressive party capable of beating the Tories. That approach has to be nationwide and reciprocal. It really dismayed me to see us being called "Yellow Tories" at the last election by people that should know better, and just zero appetite to work together for the greater good.


Whilst I have always advocated electoral pacts between progressives to keep out the Tories and stop the move to the right we see in Britain today . Nick cleggs pact with the devil and agreeing to student loans and years of austerity undermined most arguments I could put forward.
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